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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 23:42

You are in European rugby because there is no point of being in Asia :lol: There isn't an Asian club competition and the Asian Championship for national teams has a pretty low level, apart from Japan (that usualy plays it with a development squad and will most likely be admitted soon in a major competition like 6N or TRC). If you want to play Japan regularly, you can start it at any time, you don't need to be Asia Rugby members. Why you never did?

Anyway, pointless discussion as Russia wants to have the Rugby Europe presidency.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 03:28

I want to be an Arab sheikh! In addition opposed to Yashenkov holding a post in Europe rugby.
I would not want Russia to spend at least one cent on development of rugby in Eastern Europe ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 03:29

At least Asian rugby isnt run by brainless idiots like they are in Europe.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 03:46

I hope that Europeans will not disappoint my expectations and will not vote for Yashenkov. Rugby Europe is a bunch of idiots, they themselves will refuse our investment!
They will meet my expectations!
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 07:56

Why should Europe vote a candidate that clearly only wants the best for his country?

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby andyrobnev » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 15:05

The best Russian teams need exposure to a better level of competition if the national team is to improve (that or Russian players move to other countries). Enisei and Krasny Yar are clearly capable, and probably now Lokomotiv Penza as well. Hopefully once Covid has gone there is some rethinking and Russian teams will be readmitted.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 15:39

Armchair Fan wrote:Why should Europe vote a candidate that clearly only wants the best for his country?

Yashenkov is a decent person and professional and will think primarily about rugby in Europe. He will be able to develop 2 division.

Therefore think that he is needed primarily in Russia. It will be very useful to us ourselves ...Your will choose someone that would not be very different from your enviroment ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:44

Vova12 wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Why should Europe vote a candidate that clearly only wants the best for his country?

Yashenkov is a decent person and professional and will think primarily about rugby in Europe. He will be able to develop 2 division.

Therefore think that he is needed primarily in Russia. It will be very useful to us ourselves ...Your will choose someone that would not be very different from your enviroment ...


I don't know about him, but if he is able to finance Rugby Europe through sources outside of the 6N that would be a big asset. As far as I know Rugby Europe is funded a lot by France (not sure if true, but doesn't France even pay for the headquarters?).
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:55

Yashenkov promised to double budget if elected. Question is whether Russia needs this? I dont see any point in this. It is best to leave this money in Russia. We will again be accused of corruption and Russia will not wait for any gratitude.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:01

In Asia Russia will have rivals able to finance its own rugby in sufficient volume. Lot of teams of 2 division in Europe is to drag out a misrable existence and i see no reason why Russia will apper as a savior.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:09

Russias only benefit is that Yashenkov hopes to get votes in favor of granting Russia World Cup. But think that these are vain hopes, he will not be able to get them.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:11

Vova12 wrote:In Asia Russia will have rivals able to finance its own rugby in sufficient volume. Lot of teams of 2 division in Europe is to drag out a misrable existence and i see no reason why Russia will apper as a savior.

Really? Name one and show us how much you (don't) know about Asian Rugby.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 15:20

Its enough for me that I know about 2 European division.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 15:23

Japan, Russia and China. This is how see future of Asian rugby.
China - 10 professional clubs ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby welshdragon2000 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 15:32

That is a long way off. China are nowhere on the rugby scene, their internal system is pretty much nothing. Russia moving to Asia won’t automatically mean that China will start to realise their potential. It’d be a big risk imo. Stick to European rugby, continue to show a willingness to spend money on growing the game and eventually Russia will make the grade. Patience is key, there are no ways to cut corners.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 15:42

China can buy as many foreign players as Japan in a year. Its takeoff will be rapid!
Making JaChiRus tournament would be great. We need to interest Chinese in this tournament. A club tournament is also possible.

In Europe they showed us their interest in development of rugby in Russia by expelling our clubs from Challenge Cup ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:03

Dude, China is in Asia's 4th division right now. They'll probably play the 3rd division in 2021.

Japan is seeking a transcontinental competition, they are already using the Asian Championship as development. They haven't even played the competition since 2017. Japan simply decided to not play the Asian Championship in 2018, 2019 and 2020. And probably 2021.

You don't even know who plays the Asian Championship. At least do a research.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:06

I know that Hong Kong is also China. Their rating is almost same as that of Russia.
I look at example of KHL how quickly a hockey team was created in China ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:07

Hong Kong and China are different national teams.

Hong Kong (full of Western players) is more or less Rugby Europe Championship level. The others aren't. Korea was, but they have few players and are most likely Trophy's level. Malaysia is way behind. To be in the REC offers much better opposition.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:11

Vova12 wrote:I know that Hong Kong is also China. Their rating is almost same as that of Russia.
I look at example of KHL how quickly a hockey team was created in China ...


Yes, without Chinese players (not a single China-born player: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Kunlun_Red_Star) :lol: Just like the China Lions that was supposed to play the GRR. GRR is dead now.

The reason is simple: 2022 Winter Olympics will be in Beijing. For rugby 15s, they are still sleeping.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:12

Russia can play test matches with European teams.
Its not a problem.
In any case turn to Asia will definitely happen but time has not come yet ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:16

Why don't you play tests against Asians right now? There is no logic in switching continental federations if you can play tests against the couple of good Asian teams without needing to be Asia Rugby members. Pure nonense talk.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:51

China has all put abandoned XVs. It is focusing on only sevens and mostly women's sevens because it can probably build a pretty competitive team. Women's sport (for traditionally male sports) in the west is decades behind men's sport. A focused development program from a country like China can catch up with and overtake the west's amateur players in no time.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 17:10

China won confortably their 4th division group in 2019, but that doesn't mean much. It is the 4th division....

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 14 Oct 2020, 07:58

In 2003 a tournament was held with participation of Japan, USA, Russia and China. (by the way Russia won it). 8-)

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Its just that China could not take part due to another pandemic.
If add Canada it will be a super tournament!
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