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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby io.porcorosso » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 13:55

Armchair Fan wrote:Yes, Hernani was relegated and Getxo promoted. 12 teams as usual.

There are rumours about Bathco CR Santander selling its spot to Ingenieros Industriales de Las Rozas but nothing confirmed yet.

There is a proposal to create an 8-team league between DH and DHB to accommodate Hernani and the seven teams that should have played promotion playoffs but that must be approved by FER General Assembly in late July.

Three tentative schedules have been released with starts of the season in September, October or November.

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 21 Jun 2020, 17:22

Spanish players have launched their trade union under the guidance of former national team prop Francisco Blanco (he's a lawyer):
https://twitter.com/apomeesp/status/1274314552117780481

The acronym chosen is curious, APOME means "APOyo a la MElé", "Supporting the scrum".

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 01:25

Will this be for national team players, club players or both?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby theDarky » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 01:53

from the statement, it seems to be created by most of the players not only the internationals.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 09:03

All players, yes.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Pedro1 » Mon, 22 Jun 2020, 10:00

That's great news, more players around the globe should follow this lead.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 01 Jul 2020, 16:59

Today Alfonso Feijóo launched his presidential campaign, "Rugby Responsable", a clear attack towards Valor de Rugby as he claims their plans are overambitious and lack financial grounding.

I would love to give you a summary of what he said, but streaming is unavailable to rewatch and manifesto hasn't been fully published. Very few novelties, to be honest. He claims División de Honor will be back on TV by early 2021, that U23 and U17 men and U18 XV women sides will be created and that a high performance centre will be built in Madrid but it's as a program it's as sensible as boring.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 15:19

David Mélé will play again in RFU Championship with the clear aim to reach 2023 RWC...
https://actu.fr/sports/rugby/pro/david- ... 59901.html

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Thu, 09 Jul 2020, 17:19

Good on him for trying to make it but damn he will be 37. As long as he’s committed to helping the team then I guess that’s a win.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 15:29

Alfonso Feijóo will be presiding FER until 2024 after winning today the electoral vote: 40-32.

I can only wish him good luck because it won't be easy to lead the union in the midst of a huge crisis with 45% of Spanish rugby against you, including the biggest clubs.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 16:14

What can we expect about changes?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 16:23

Feijóo claims to have a new TV deal that could start in January, but it doesn't matter what did he negotiate as long as there is no agreement with División de Honor clubs, which were probably expecting Hansen to win for a better deal and in the meantime have chosen as their chairman VRAC president... the same VRAC that led the battle that killed TV last time and has a case against FER and Heineken in front of antitrust authorities. So fireworks are coming.

Nothing should change regarding senior national teams, Classic All Blacks game should happen one day (promoters were behind Feijóo's electoral campaign), Feijóo promised new U23 and U17 national teams plus a U18 XV women's team... But overall, few changes: head coaches should stay, French-born players are still 100% welcome, we will have the odd administrative issue... Business as usual.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby iul » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 19:18

Armchair Fan wrote:Alfonso Feijóo will be presiding FER until 2024 after winning today the electoral vote: 40-32.

I can only wish him good luck because it won't be easy to lead the union in the midst of a huge crisis with 45% of Spanish rugby against you, including the biggest clubs.

Why were there only 72 votes? How do FER elections work?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Thomas » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 19:46

He was re-elected?

Genuinely surprised. I thought he didn't have the votes

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 19:56

iul wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Alfonso Feijóo will be presiding FER until 2024 after winning today the electoral vote: 40-32.

I can only wish him good luck because it won't be easy to lead the union in the midst of a huge crisis with 45% of Spanish rugby against you, including the biggest clubs.

Why were there only 72 votes? How do FER elections work?

General Assembly was voted three weeks ago with anyone being registered able to vote for their group, then its elected members (76, but three were absent and one vote was void) choose the president.

Assembly is composed by different groups:
- Regional unions (17)
- Clubs (32, divided between those in men's and women's top-tiers and those who play other national competitions)
- Players (15, divided between those recognised by the State as elite sportsmen and the rest)
- Coaches (9, divided between those recognised by the State as elite sportsmen and the rest)
- Referees (3)

Thomas wrote:He was re-elected?

Genuinely surprised. I thought he didn't have the votes

My suspicion is that Hansen proposal convinced too many people that didn't hold a say in this electoral process. And traditionally Spanish sport federations elections are geared in a way that protects those in charge. For example, it's hard to think that most regional unions, referees or elite coaches and players, normally from national teams, vote against statu quo.

Hansen had people whose main task was to convince regional unions and referees and miserably failed. Then hoped to convince players and I feel he couldn't: in an interview he said he had 44 votes and he finally received 32... 12 is the number of players not attached to Feijóo that voted today. In addition to that I know of DHB clubs that aren't convinced by some of the proposals to create an elite of 20, 22 teams in two national tiers and leave full amateurism for the rest. It means not having any door opened to become any relevant in the near-future and less funding from public institutions (it's not the same to claim you play in 'second division' than 'third').

Plus let's be honest, COVID impact means we must brace ourselves and Feijóo at least has proven to be capable of driving a cash-strapped union.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Thomas » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 20:03

True, he is good at moving the Union, but is going to be a bumpy ride. Both had commitments on High Performance Program I want to see what happens, also it was not a landslide which makes me wonder will he pick some of the best bits from the Hansen program?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 20:06

Just for the sake of comparison, let's remember that after 2018 mess Feijóo organised a motion of no confidence that ended 45-10. It proves our rugby is waaaaay more divided than two years ago. Opposition is more organised and he's lost some support as well.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 20:42

Which sort of compromise with opposition can we expect from him now?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 21:13

The minimal agreement is a deal with DH clubs for TV and League promotion. Especially now that Veintidós claims Heineken is about to leave FER...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 28 Jul 2020, 13:40

Nothing huge, but interviewed by RTVE Alfonso Feijóo claims the goals for this term are improving FER structure and administration and qualifying for RWC, WRWC, RWC7s (both men and women) as well as winning U20 Trophy and U18 Euro:
https://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/rug ... y/5633759/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 28 Jul 2020, 18:17

Classic All Blacks game pushed to May 8th 2021:
https://www.revista22.es/2020/07/el-esp ... -las-2045/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 29 Jul 2020, 11:38

FER is making the most out of this COVID stoppage to upload interesting info to its website. After historical footage, they included as well detailed stats of registered players from last season. I had never seen them with so much detail so I'll try to share:
- 30,002 players and 37,849 licences in 2018-19 season
- 13,142 senior players (10,230 men and 2,912 women)
- 16,860 underage players (2,590 U18, 3,411 U16, 3,034 U14...)
- 1,470 coaches and 523 referees
- 1,591 teams involved in all competitions with 10,659 games held (336 and 2,918 among senior men)
- 256 rugby pitches used
- Provinces with more licences: Madrid (9,222), Barcelona (5,433), Valencia (2,596), Valladolid (1,411), Sevilla (1,366), Cádiz (1,134), Balearic Islands (1,038)
- Provinces with less inhabitants per licence: Valladolid (1/368), Madrid (1/722), Gipuzkoa (1/745), Cantabria (1/841), Burgos (1/962), Valencia (1/988), Asturias (1/999)
- Provinces with more clubs: Madrid (43), Barcelona (42), Valencia (13), Balearic Islands and Murcia (12), Asturias and Bizkaia (11), Gipuzkoa, Alicante and Sevilla (10)
- Biggest clubs: Alcobendas (685), Cisneros (598), XV Hortaleza (575), El Salvador (569), Liceo Francés (536), VRAC (515), Almería (494)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 06:43

Armchair Fan wrote:FER is making the most out of this COVID stoppage to upload interesting info to its website. After historical footage, they included as well detailed stats of registered players from last season. I had never seen them with so much detail so I'll try to share:
- 30,002 players and 37,849 licences in 2018-19 season
- 13,142 senior players (10,230 men and 2,912 women)
- 16,860 underage players (2,590 U18, 3,411 U16, 3,034 U14...)
- 1,470 coaches and 523 referees
- 1,591 teams involved in all competitions with 10,659 games held (336 and 2,918 among senior men)
- 256 rugby pitches used
- Provinces with more licences: Madrid (9,222), Barcelona (5,433), Valencia (2,596), Valladolid (1,411), Sevilla (1,366), Cádiz (1,134), Balearic Islands (1,038)
- Provinces with less inhabitants per licence: Valladolid (1/368), Madrid (1/722), Gipuzkoa (1/745), Cantabria (1/841), Burgos (1/962), Valencia (1/988), Asturias (1/999)
- Provinces with more clubs: Madrid (43), Barcelona (42), Valencia (13), Balearic Islands and Murcia (12), Asturias and Bizkaia (11), Gipuzkoa, Alicante and Sevilla (10)
- Biggest clubs: Alcobendas (685), Cisneros (598), XV Hortaleza (575), El Salvador (569), Liceo Francés (536), VRAC (515), Almería (494)

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I'm assuming that licences are registrations. So if that's the case why the difference between players and licences? If my assumption is correct.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 07:09

Because coaches, referees and even team managers are registered as well. We've got 30,000 players and almost 38,000 licences.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 31 Jul 2020, 13:56

Armchair Fan wrote:Classic All Blacks game pushed to May 8th 2021:
https://www.revista22.es/2020/07/el-esp ... -las-2045/

Official now, so 14 days to ask for a refund:
http://ferugby.es/xv-del-leon-vs-classi ... ropolitano

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