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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 18:38

Two Round 2 games postponed in División de Honor due to COVID outbreaks in hosting teams: Cisneros-Ciencias and Santboiana-El Salvador. The remaining four are expected to go ahead on Sunday.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 01 Nov 2020, 09:45

División de Honor 2020-21 - Round 2 - Live Streaming
Sunday 12:00 CET - Universidad de Burgos-Bajo Cero v Ampo Ordizia
http://ferugby.habitualdata.com/FerGale ... poObjeto=1

Sunday 12:30 CET - VRAC Quesos Entrepinares v Barça Rugbi


Sunday 12:30 CET - Aldro Independiente v Lexus Alcobendas


Sunday 12:30 CET - Getxo Rugby v Les Abelles

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Raven » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 15:53

Armchair Fan wrote:Yes, he isn't the only Chilean in the league. Aldo Cornejo is in Independiente and acts as S&C coach there, Nico Herreros and Augusto Sarmiento are in Burgos and there is probably somebody else who didn't play this week. In previous seasons we had Velarde brothers, Bordigoni, Verschae, Casas...


Correct me if I´m wrong but it wouldn´t be at all surprising if in Division de Honor and DHB we´d find several South Americans playing who aren´t only from Argentina, Uruguay or, as mentioned above, Chile... That would be interesting to know about (although as stated before, they would struggle to travel South America and play for their national team)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 19:05

Raven wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Yes, he isn't the only Chilean in the league. Aldo Cornejo is in Independiente and acts as S&C coach there, Nico Herreros and Augusto Sarmiento are in Burgos and there is probably somebody else who didn't play this week. In previous seasons we had Velarde brothers, Bordigoni, Verschae, Casas...


Correct me if I´m wrong but it wouldn´t be at all surprising if in Division de Honor and DHB we´d find several South Americans playing who aren´t only from Argentina, Uruguay or, as mentioned above, Chile... That would be interesting to know about (although as stated before, they would struggle to travel South America and play for their national team)

Yes, there are a few but given their family names and the unreliability of FER database's nationalities it's a bit hard to follow. I know there are guys with credible links (either born there or with parents coming from there) with Colombia, Peru, Brazil, Paraguay (some even capped), even Cuba, Dominicana or Venezuela (a lot, probably enough to create an exiles side)... but their more-amateur-than-pro status and centralised systems being implemented at home make it unlikely for them to ever play (again) with their national teams.

You can surf each team squad in the following links, but as I said, it's not too reliable mostly because it may not be updated, but also because only one passport is often signaled:
http://ferugby.habitualdata.com/FerEquipos.aspx?cat=DH
http://ferugby.habitualdata.com/FerEqui ... x?cat=DHBA
http://ferugby.habitualdata.com/FerEqui ... x?cat=DHBB
http://ferugby.habitualdata.com/FerEqui ... x?cat=DHBC

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 19:17

División de Honor 2020-21 - Round 2 - Results and Standings
Aldro Independiente 10 - 31 Lexus Alcobendas
VRAC Quesos Entrepinares 23 - 16 Barça Rugbi
Universidad de Burgos-Bajo Cero 27 - 24 Ampo Ordizia
Getxo Rugby 14 - Les Abelles 14 :shock:

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 20:55

is Independiente struggling financialy like Santander?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 21:25

No, just adapting to new season as always:
- They were just opened doors of their new home turf, where they had not trained until last week
- No preseason games due to COVID restrictions
- The increase in the number of "JIFF" players required at any time on field hits hard a team and a region with a still small base. They've been fielding as wingers players who had been forwards last few seasons only because they are Spanish and they need them on field

On the financial side of things nothing has been said, they are probably struggling just as much as anybody else.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 05 Nov 2020, 23:18

Alfonso Feijóo estimates Spanish rugby is going to lose between 30 and 35% of its sponsorship revenue due to COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/Palco23_es/status/1 ... 7005948928

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 04:03

Armchair Fan wrote:Alfonso Feijóo estimates Spanish rugby is going to lose between 30 and 35% of its sponsorship revenue due to COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/Palco23_es/status/1 ... 7005948928


Where they will probably make cuts? High performance? Development? Staff?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 12:46

Hard to know because all internal documents on FER website are pre-COVID. There have been obvious cuts related to U18 and U20 activities, for example.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 17:16

I just listened to an interview of Alfonso Feijóo where he claims he intended to hire a CEO but considering his probable high salary they have delayed such an appointment.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 17:31

Wow, FER don't have a CEO? Who leads the day to day processes?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 17:47

God's will.

Now, more seriously, probably a veteran triunvirate composed of Epalza, Sempere and More plus the "recent" (two-three years ago) addition of Patrón-Costas. But there is no CEO as such.

This is FER official structure
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 17:52

So, the vice presidents are not payed, right? Only the directors?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 17:52

Edited

See how many times Feijóo, Epalza, Sempere, Moreno and Patrón-Costas are repeated.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 18:07

I don't know if I've asked before, but where is FER's office?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 18:29

victorsra wrote:So, the vice presidents are not payed, right? Only the directors?

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This is the second image. "Remunerado" = paid.

victorsra wrote:I don't know if I've asked before, but where is FER's office?

Madrid, near Plaza de España and Gran Vía. Basically halfway between them and Estadio Nacional Complutense. It's in Calle Ferraz, better known because Socialist Party is there as well.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 18:33

Too many "no remunerado" people.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 07 Nov 2020, 10:20

División de Honor 2020-21 - Round 1 (postponed) - Live Streaming
Saturday 16:00 CET - Les Abelles v Complutense Cisneros

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 07 Nov 2020, 22:41

Newly-promoted Les Abelles remains unbeaten after defeating Cisneros 24-22.

This is how standings look with two postponed games remaining from Round 2:
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Cisneros is expected to play its second game v Ciencias next Sunday, but Santboiana v El Salvador remains delayed sine die.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 08 Nov 2020, 12:52

To solve some of the questions raised in previous weeks. Planeta Rugby radio show conducted an interview of Bathco company owner this Friday and he estimated the cost of running a División de Honor team at 350,000€.

Among other things, he explained that he denied the rugby club the initially offered credit (42,500€ on top of his 100,000€ sponsorship) because of hidden debts which made less likely they would be able to repay him. He was quite critical of how clubs are managed (remember that he sponsored both Independiente and CR Santander, so not a single experience), claiming rugby is the only sport where they keep demanding money after having signed a contract and saying they hire players without adapting to their financial realities. Nevertheless he's willing to return to rugby but not too soon. I may not like the way he does things, but he sounds like a reasonable guy.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 08 Nov 2020, 20:08

Armchair Fan wrote:o solve some of the questions raised in previous weeks. Planeta Rugby radio show conducted an interview of Bathco company owner this Friday and he estimated the cost of running a División de Honor team at 350,000€.


Less than I thought.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby ficcp » Mon, 09 Nov 2020, 16:29

Because many first division players are not fully professional. As I posted before, Matias Cabrera of Alcobendas has a job not related with Rugby which requires full commitment during labor time. How much would he get from the Club? For sure not a salary enough to live.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 09 Nov 2020, 16:40

I obviously don't know how much Alcobendas pays its players but I know they offer to a few of their foreign signings housing, while youngsters are attracted through private university grants.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 09 Nov 2020, 17:16

ficcp wrote:Because many first division players are not fully professional. As I posted before, Matias Cabrera of Alcobendas has a job not related with Rugby which requires full commitment during labor time. How much would he get from the Club? For sure not a salary enough to live.

I know but still I thought it would cost at least around 500k, as it is a year round league.

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