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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby m.map » Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 08:40

scotland team for the tomorrow's match:

15. Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 21 caps
14. Darcy Graham (Edinburgh) – 11 caps
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester) - 18 caps
12. James Lang (Harlequins) – 2 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh) – Uncapped
10. Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – 20 caps
9. Ali Price VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps

1. Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh) – 7 caps
2. Fraser Brown CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 50 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 29 caps
4. Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 25 caps
5. Scott Cummings (Glasgow Warriors) – 12 caps
6. Jamie Ritchie VICE CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 18 caps
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh) – 32 caps
8. Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
Substitutes:
16. Stuart McInally (Edinburgh) – 37 caps
17. Oli Kebble (Glasgow Warriors) – Uncapped
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 25 caps
19. Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors) – 21 caps
20. Nick Haining (Edinburgh) – 3 caps
21. Cornell du Preez (Worcester Warriors) – 7 caps
22. George Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 13 caps
23. Finn Russell (Racing 92) – 49 caps

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby beber » Thu, 22 Oct 2020, 15:43

Georgia XV
1. Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier) - 71 caps
2. Jaba Bregvadze (unattached) - 58 caps
3. Lekso Kaulashvili (Union Bordeaux Bègles) - uncapped
4. Nodar Cheishvili (Aia Kutaisi) - 25 caps
5. Grigor Kerdikoshvili (Lelo Tbilisi) - 1 cap
6. Otar Giorgadze (Brive) - 25 caps
7. Beka Saghinadze (Aurillac) - 12 caps
8. Beka Gorgadze (Union Bordeaux Bègles)- 27 caps

9. Vasil Lobzhanidze (Brive) - 51 caps
10. Tedo Abzhandadze (Brive) - 15 caps
11. Sandro Todua (Batumi) - 85 caps
12. Merab Sharikadze CAPTAIN (unattached) - 66 caps
13. Demur Tapladze (Lelo Tbilisi) - 2 cap
14. Akaki Tabutsadze (Lelo Tbilisi) - 2 caps
15. Soso Matiashvili (Akademia Tbilisi) - 27 caps

Replacements
16. Shalva Mamukashvili (Leicester Tigers) - 74 caps
17. Guram Gogichashvili (Racing 92) - 14 caps
18. Giorgi Melikidze (Stade Français)- 19 caps
19. Giorgi Javakhia (Aurillac) - 1 cap
20. Giorgi Tkhilaishvili (Batumi) - 57 caps

21. Gela Aprasidze (Montpellier) - 25 caps
22. Giorgi Kveseladze (Armazi Marneuli) - 24 caps
23. Tamaz Mchedlidze (Rouen)- 57 caps

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Scoob » Mon, 26 Oct 2020, 01:14

So the Georgians had a bad loss to the Scots.
First game in ages,and the only Georgians playing regularly in top 14 are the props,so cant expect much.
There needs to be a comp for the top domestic players to get them up to speed with these pro 6 nations outfits. Russia may have something building for that,which can only be better for what is happening now. Amateurs against Pros right now.
I been watching as few replays of the Didi games,and there is talent there as Georgia has shown in international age grade teams.
Young backline players like Luka Matkava,Lasha Lomidze,Temur Kokhadze. show huge promise,just need competition and coaches to harness those skills.
Even the age group teams show great speed and skill. I Watched the Lelo Poti under 18 replay. It was a great game of commitment and skill. The Big tall Lelo fullback was amazing with his pace and power. Not sure his name as P.D.V was to large to translate. But these are the sort of players that Georgia need to invest in,and find a pathway for there rugby future.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby ZUKER » Mon, 26 Oct 2020, 10:37

Scoob wrote:So the Georgians had a bad loss to the Scots.
First game in ages,and the only Georgians playing regularly in top 14 are the props,so cant expect much.
There needs to be a comp for the top domestic players to get them up to speed with these pro 6 nations outfits. Russia may have something building for that,which can only be better for what is happening now. Amateurs against Pros right now.
I been watching as few replays of the Didi games,and there is talent there as Georgia has shown in international age grade teams.
Young backline players like Luka Matkava,Lasha Lomidze,Temur Kokhadze. show huge promise,just need competition and coaches to harness those skills.
Even the age group teams show great speed and skill. I Watched the Lelo Poti under 18 replay. It was a great game of commitment and skill. The Big tall Lelo fullback was amazing with his pace and power. Not sure his name as P.D.V was to large to translate. But these are the sort of players that Georgia need to invest in,and find a pathway for there rugby future.


Not only props who are playing regularly. 3d line as well as 9 and 10. I would say it was the TOP squad for Lelos apart of Mikautadze

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby ferrari1000 » Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 10:32

Scoob wrote: I Watched the Lelo Poti under 18 replay.

It still amazes me that u watch Georgian A/B league games :shock: :thumbup:

ZUKER wrote: Not only props who are playing regularly. 3d line as well as 9 and 10. I would say it was the TOP squad for Lelos apart of Mikautadze

In their respective clubs props do have regular game time (Gigashvili - 315 min, Meliqidze - 200, Nariashvili -171, Kaulashvili - 159, Gogichashvili - 91) and Lobzhanidze does too (230 min). However, Abzhandadze (22 min) and Backrow do not (only one with descent game time under his belt is Saghinadze - 270, others haven't played that much Giorgadze - 116, Gorgadze - 106, Jalaghonia -18, Iasaghashvili - 0, Tkhilaishvili - 0).
Moreover, only player with some game time in the second row is Javakhia (226 min, others have not played AT ALL in last 8 months, except Mikautadze who is not in the squad played 22 min this weekend).
The rest of the players haven't played much either, in fact, players who play in DIDI 10 haven't played in last 8 months at all!

The big issue with this game was that we were dominated by the Scotland's pack. Although, we did all right in the scrum and well in the lineout, they completely destroyed as in the collisions, contact area, rucks and mauls.
While Scotland's forwards are objectively significantly better, the difference between packs performance was amplified by the lack of game time and team's training time (Georgian team only had 2/3 full sessions with the whole pack in it).
I do think that these forwards can and will improve but its hard to say how fast or how far can they go.

There were many negatives in this game (for instance the fact that the planet Mars and Georgia have the same amount of descent fullbacks right now, lack of leaders in the pack and many others in addition to what I have already mentioned before), but there were some positives too. The break due to pandemic has treated Nariashvili well, he is gaining back his top form; Shariqadze injuries are gone and he is starting to play some descent rugby again; Tabutsadze was solid in defense and showed some attacking threat as well; Lobzhanidze is showing some TOP 14 game time class.

Georgian teams performance will probably stay similar for the next two games but hopefully its gonna get better for the last two.

P.S Game time source is a Georgian forum user Jora84.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby GeoRugby » Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 17:20

Although, we did all right in the scrum and well in the lineout, they completely destroyed as in the collisions, contact area,


Contrasting styles. Scottish forwards already in mid run before they receive the ball and go through Georgian deference like knife through butter. Georgian forward receives a ball, thinks for a second what to do with it, gently steps forward, gets greeted and pushed back couple of meters. Same in maul. I miss Mamuka and Vito.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby BigG » Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 17:38

Scoob wrote:The Big tall Lelo fullback was amazing with his pace and power. Not sure his name as P.D.V was to large to translate. But these are the sort of players that Georgia need to invest in,and find a pathway for there rugby future.


I think you talk about Luka Khorbaladze

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Scoob » Wed, 28 Oct 2020, 06:25

Scoob wrote:
The Big tall Lelo fullback was amazing with his pace and power. Not sure his name as P.D.V was to large to translate. But these are the sort of players that Georgia need to invest in,and find a pathway for there rugby future.


I think you talk about Luka Khorbaladze





Thanks,if thats his name,yes very good player.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby honestly_united » Wed, 28 Oct 2020, 15:03

For me the issue was the the Georgians didn't hold on to the ball long enough, it was 2 or 3 phases then either lost it or panic and kicked it down field / into touch.

As was said above no one taking the ball at pace, meant they were going backwards most of the time - hopefully though there will be an improvement as the games in autumn continue

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 05:48

The LELOS of GEORGIA
35-strong squad for "Autumn Nations Cup" 2020

http://vue.ge/2020-2021/RVA-ERI/RVA-SQUAD.htm

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Rebus » Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 06:20

honestly_united wrote:For me the issue was the the Georgians didn't hold on to the ball long enough, it was 2 or 3 phases then either lost it or panic and kicked it down field / into touch.

As was said above no one taking the ball at pace, meant they were going backwards most of the time - hopefully though there will be an improvement as the games in autumn continue


Didnt think Scotland looked particularly good during the game, , but they had the benefit of more game time this season and the varierty of players to offer something different. Georgia looked a bit one dimensional as well as not being match sharp.
One thing that stood out for me whenever I have watched Georgia is the lack of variety in their game. Perhaps in the Rugby Europe Championship, they can bully and bulldoze their way to wins , but they need to find other ways to win matches.
Hopefully, they can continue to get games against Tier 1 nations on a regular basis to assist the evolution of their game

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby kearnc25 » Tue, 01 Dec 2020, 19:42

Scotland planning to tour Georgia and Romania covid permitting. Home tests against tier 1 teams would be fantastic.

https://twitter.com/SDM_Robertson/statu ... ode%3Dtrue

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 02:11

I'm starting to think this whole covid thing might have unintended and welcomed benefits. They could add Russia on the list too and play 3 weeks in Eastern Europe.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Rebus » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 06:10

kearnc25 wrote:Scotland planning to tour Georgia and Romania covid permitting. Home tests against tier 1 teams would be fantastic.


Would like to see more Tier 1 teams do this. Teams have done this before with USA / Canada . But play games against Spain / Portugal or add Russia to Georgia / Romania. Southern hemispheres can do the same with PI nations.
If you want to rest your 'star' players or those who have played more games that season then thats fine , as long as these games as seen as full tests and not an 'A' team playing a full strength Tier 1 nation

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby kearnc25 » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 08:16

Scotland have been quite good recently regarding playing Georgia. I've heard a rumour that Ireland are planning on touring the PI teams this summer so hopefully that materialises.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby rugby-veterinarian » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 10:40

Yes that is correct. Ireland is supposed to tour the Pacific Islands on a two match tour, but the two nations they are going to play have never been revealed.

Japan is supposed to host France for two matches, and England will play at USA and Canada. Italy will have two matches against the All Blacks and supposedly Argentina will host two matches against Wales. This was all pre-covid 19, so who knows what could end up happening. South Africa is also requesting 3 to 4 matches before they play B&I Lions as well, I hope they will play Georgia at least once since they couldn’t play this past July.

There are 5 Saturdays in July 2021, so depending on COVID-19/ travel restrictions and the pro leagues (premiership, top 14) we could be in for a lot of tests this coming summer.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Canalina » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 10:50

rugby-veterinarian wrote:...Italy will have two matches against the All Blacks...

Was this just a rumor or something more solid? I had never read anything about

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby kearnc25 » Wed, 02 Dec 2020, 12:04

rugby-veterinarian wrote:Yes that is correct. Ireland is supposed to tour the Pacific Islands on a two match tour, but the two nations they are going to play have never been revealed.

Japan is supposed to host France for two matches, and England will play at USA and Canada. Italy will have two matches against the All Blacks and supposedly Argentina will host two matches against Wales. This was all pre-covid 19, so who knows what could end up happening. South Africa is also requesting 3 to 4 matches before they play B&I Lions as well, I hope they will play Georgia at least once since they couldn’t play this past July.

There are 5 Saturdays in July 2021, so depending on COVID-19/ travel restrictions and the pro leagues (premiership, top 14) we could be in for a lot of tests this coming summer.



That is overall fantastic. You'd have to feel for the Italian team, they are preforming well and have a strong side when fit but never get winnable games playing the All blacks instead of tier 2 is a bad mistake.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby SHIZZZO » Thu, 03 Dec 2020, 10:46

kearnc25 wrote:Scotland planning to tour Georgia and Romania covid permitting. Home tests against tier 1 teams would be fantastic.

https://twitter.com/SDM_Robertson/statu ... ode%3Dtrue


Great news, hope we will be able to watch it from the stands
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby datodato » Sat, 05 Dec 2020, 13:26

I do not understand what the selection of Todua was about... he was terrible in every match he played for the last 5 years minimum and he is old. Today he was at his worst, right from the start. Why do we field players like him? Any person in Georgia that has two legs and can walk would have had a better performance than him today. Why don't we develop young players on these positions where we had nightmares for centuries?

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby BigG » Sat, 05 Dec 2020, 17:47

datodato wrote:I do not understand what the selection of Todua was about... he was terrible in every match he played for the last 5 years minimum and he is old. Today he was at his worst, right from the start. Why do we field players like him? Any person in Georgia that has two legs and can walk would have had a better performance than him today. Why don't we develop young players on these positions where we had nightmares for centuries?


Absolutely disagree with you.
Yes, today he had not good performance, however three games before that he was one of the best. Despite his age, still he is one of the most stable and reliable players. Soon he will leave the national team, and I would like to express my deep gratitude to him for everything he has done for the Georgian rugby.
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Scoob » Sat, 05 Dec 2020, 17:53

Niniashvili is still very young. There is not a lot of wingers to step up.
Sandro Svanidze needs more game time. I like Temur Kokhadze from Aia. And is Iban Tsouladze elegible from Biarritz.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby rugby-veterinarian » Sun, 06 Dec 2020, 00:26

Canalina wrote:
rugby-veterinarian wrote:...Italy will have two matches against the All Blacks...

Was this just a rumor or something more solid? I had never read anything about


https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... permitting

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby- ... ZGGY4VXHQ/

This is as solid as it gets for now. Both articles do emphasize that COVID and travel restrictions will be a deciding factor if the games ahead or not.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby beber » Sun, 06 Dec 2020, 08:44

Scoob wrote:Niniashvili is still very young. There is not a lot of wingers to step up.
Sandro Svanidze needs more game time. I like Temur Kokhadze from Aia. And is Iban Tsouladze elegible from Biarritz.


Also Giorgi Gogoladze played few games in ProD2 this season. Him and Mchedlidze are used to play at professional level

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Canalina » Sun, 06 Dec 2020, 10:02

rugby-veterinarian wrote:
Canalina wrote:
rugby-veterinarian wrote:...Italy will have two matches against the All Blacks...

Was this just a rumor or something more solid? I had never read anything about


https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... permitting

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby- ... ZGGY4VXHQ/

This is as solid as it gets for now. Both articles do emphasize that COVID and travel restrictions will be a deciding factor if the games ahead or not.

Thanks. I checked now and the news was in fact published also by the italian specialized media, but evidently I missed it

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