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Postby Fiji86 » Tue, 28 Apr 2020, 03:14

Do any of you have the complete match between Romania and Italy? 2004 last Romanian victory 25-25 in Bucharest

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 05 May 2020, 11:30

What a TREASURE from Barcelona :!:
La Hemeroteca de Mundo Deportivo desde 1906

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/hemeroteca

Friend informed me about it yesterday,
and since then I can NOT stop browsing
digging a lot of rugby stuff out

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Do similar sources from Madrid exist :?:

Or Italy | France | Germany | NSW etc etc ... anywhere

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Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 05 May 2020, 12:02

ABC from 1903 but it isn't only about sport like Mundo Deportivo:
https://www.abc.es/archivo/periodicos/

And Spanish National Library has a digital archive with magazines that disappeared:
http://www.bne.es/es/Catalogos/HemerotecaDigital/

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:56

In Italy "La Stampa" from Turin, one of the main national newspapers, purposes a free archive with all the daily editions since 1867
http://www.archiviolastampa.it

Spain v Italy 9-0, year 1929; it was the second ever match for Spain, the debut for Italy and the inauguration of the Stadium Montjuic in Barcelona. Sixty thousands spectators in the stands (there was a football match after the rugby one), I suppose it's still the record for a spanish rugby game

First page of Mundo Deportivo the day after
http://hemeroteca-paginas.mundodeportiv ... 21-001.pdf

The chronicle of the match step by step
http://hemeroteca-paginas.mundodeportiv ... 21-003.pdf

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Postby gambass » Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:56

Gallica is the name you're looking for in France

Here is the sports newspapers section.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/html/presse-et-r ... de=desktop

I can only recommend la Vie au Grand Air for pre-WW1 stuff and Miroir des Sports for interwars stuff

There is also an 'images' section for pictures only.

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Postby Canalina » Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:43

Re-published today by Welsh Rugby Union on social media: 1977


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Postby Canalina » Sun, 10 May 2020, 18:09

By chance I landed in the old, digitalized registers of the Rugby School
https://archive.org/search.php?query=cr ... +School%22

In Volume 1, page 128, you may read the name of W.W.Ellis; he entered in the college at the age of 8 years
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In Volume 3 an Enrique Solano appears; I don't know if he is a relative of that Bernard(o) Solano that made rugby balls at the time of Gilbert and Lindon, but it's likely and anyway it seems confirming that that Bernardo Solano was spanish and not Italian ( :evil: )
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At the end of every volume there's also an alphabetical list of the scholars; I've read the whole list of Volume 1 hoping to find an italian surname (I hoped there was maybe an italian emigrant kid schoolmate of Ellis), but with no luck

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Postby Canalina » Mon, 11 May 2020, 09:09

According to a 1895 testify from a former schoolmate, WW Ellis was "known to take unfair advantage in sport" ("in cricket", according to some reports of the testify, "in football", according to other ones). Maybe this characteristic was due to the fact that William Webb and his elder son Thomas were deprived of a male parental figure; not rarely the kids without a father are less observant the rules. James Ellis, a soldier, perished in july 1812, when William Webb was five years old, in Spain, during the Peninsular War fought by England, Spain and Portugal versus the Napoleon's french army.
So maybe at the base of the legendary 1823 episode of W.W.Ellis there's a french bullet.

To note that a page 196 of the Rugby School register above, volume I, there's also the name of Jamie Mackie, the scottish boy who studied in Rugby around twenty years after WWE and that is sometime purposed as an other possible "inventor" of the game of rugby

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Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 May 2020, 12:57

Rugby should adopt its true foundation date that is 1845, the year of the first written rules.

Writing rules is what starts making you a sport. Kicking and throwing things is something every society in the history of mankind did. Everybody played games with some sort of oral rules. Game and sport are different concepts.

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 11 May 2020, 13:22

:!: AGREE 101%

WORLD is fed with lies about WWE picking up ball while playing FOOTBALL
as nobody cares to explain what FOOTBALL actually meant before 1870s,
that it allowed handling and even tackling, and forward passing was not allowed

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Postby Canalina » Mon, 11 May 2020, 15:15

The Rugby School football rules in 1862
https://archive.org/details/laws_of_foo ... 2/mode/2up

It's somehow surprising that the highness of the bar has remained today the same of that age (ten feet, almost precisely three meters) despite the evolution of balls, shoes and athletes.
The rule 39, saying "All the matches are drawn after five days, or after three days if no goal has been kicked", seems suggesting that scoring a goal was indeed not easy.
It's also strange that they define highness of the posts (18 feet) and of the bar (10 feet, page 5) but not the width of the bar.
I've read all the short manual but I was not able to understand all the rules

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Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 May 2020, 15:17

The first Rugby School rules are 1845. 1862 is another one. http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/laws.htm

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Postby Canalina » Wed, 13 May 2020, 04:45

A rugby ball, from a 1895 french rugby manual

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The measures correspond almost precisely to the ones of the 1892 RFU rules
The shape, as someone wrote, was in those years more resembling a plum than an egg
"A regulamentar ball costs from 10 to 12 francs in Paris. If you buy a well cared one, it may last two or three years"

From https://www.flickr.com/photos/rugby_pio ... 884619557/ and following images

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 13 May 2020, 07:38

https://www.world.rugby/news/569116

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Laws of rugby union have changed significantly since game’s first law book in 1845


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Postby carbonero » Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:01

I can't think of a more random matchup > https://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/845543 ... anjas.html

1975 - Tucumán 47-15 Trinidad & Tobago

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 07 Jun 2020, 19:05

HOW this Forum missed this :?:

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60 DE ANI DE LA PRIMA VICTORIE IN FATA UNEI NATIUNI MAJORE A RUGBYULUI MONDIAL,
11-5 CU FRANTA, PE STADIONUL 23 AUGUST

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https://frr.ro/2020/06/05/60-de-ani-de-la-prima-victorie-in-fata-unei-natiuni-majore-a-rugbyului-mondial-11-5-cu-franta-pe-stadionul-23-august/

Echipa Romaniei:

1. Lica Cotter (CFR Grivita Rosie), 2. Nicolae Capusan (CCA), 3. Alexandru Teofilovici (Progresul)
4. Vasile Mladin (CGR Grivita Rosie), 5. Anastase Marinache (Progresul)
6. Viorel Morariu (cpt CFR Grivita Rosie), 7. Mircea Rusu (CFR Grivita Rosie), 8. Radu Demian (CFR Grivita Rosie)

9. Costel Stanescu (CFR Grivita Rosie), 10. Rene Chiriac (CCA)
11. Ion Sava (Constructorul), 12. Valeriu Irimescu (CFR Grivita Rosie) , 13. Mihai Vusek (CFR Grivita Rosie), 14. Aurel Barbu (Dinamo)
15. Alexandru Penciu (CCA)

Antrenori: Nicolae Padureanu si Gheorghe Parcalabescu.

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 01 Aug 2020, 09:49

WHAT a PEARL :!:

http://www.rugbyarchive.net/compsoverview/598

Yugoslavia - Yugoslav Championship

It was the main competition for Yugoslav clubs.
From 1957 till 1963 it was played on Rugby League code.

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 01 Sep 2020, 12:44

From twitter (https://twitter.com/hugh_barrow), the "paper chase" or "hares and hounds" race, accordingly to the post a method of training used by the first ever Scotland national team, in 1870 or so. In the game the fugitive player lets behind him pieces of paper, simulating the scent of the hare; the team-fellows must find him and then catch him. I suppose this type of races in the british country is also at the base of the 3000 staples track&field race

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Postby Vova12 » Tue, 01 Sep 2020, 17:26

Rugby rules in Russian 1895. Probably earliest mention of rugby.

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 01 Sep 2020, 18:46

This image is fascinating; it seems that the players in the centre of the defensive line are trying to defend the space under the bar like many soccer goalkeepers, but probably the meaning of the draw is that they are charging forward to intercept the ball directed above the bar

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Postby victorsra » Tue, 01 Sep 2020, 18:54

absolutely amazing!!!

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Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 14:54

When Brazil hosted Pau (Section Paloise) in 1965: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFKS9v6A321/

Pau was the 1964 French Champions and the score was only Pau 39-11 Brazil.
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Postby ficcp » Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 19:08

Not many portuguese names in the 1965 team. What a difference with the current team.

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Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 19:41

Rugby was basicaly related to the British, French and Japanese communities, which doesn't mean those guys weren't born in Brazil. Some were, but most weren't.

The 3 clubs that existed in São Paulo in that year were:

- São Paulo Athletic Club (SPAC): the British club (still an important club);
- São Paulo Rugby Football Club (SPRC): the Japanese club (that some years after that became the rugby section of the Nippon Country Club, now defunct).
- Aliança Rugby Football Club (ARC): a club founded by French guys, but with Argentines, some British players that left SPAC and some Brazilians (Aliança became the São Paulo Barbarians in 1970, that became the Alphaville Tenis Club rugby section, now defunct);

RC & AA in the list is the Rio Cricket Associação Atlética club (Rio's British club), whose rugby section suffered players' loss after 1963... they were absent from the national championship in 1964 and 1965, but still some guys were called up (Rio Cricket doesn't have rugby anymore, but it is the origin of Rio's most important clubs in the present, Niteróii RFC and Rio RFC). There is one player from "BRC", Bertioga Rugby Club, a newly founded junior club from São Paulo (also now defunct).

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 19:15

World Cup 1999 Monopoly
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ= ... s/$_86.JPG

The game is available in a World Cup Memorabilia buy&sell facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/126796641317919/

These should be the nations on the board in order of "price", if I was able to read them correctly
Korea 1 (not qualified to the final phase)
Morocco 2 (not qualified to the final phase)
 Uruguay 3
Spain 4
 Canada 5
 Namibia 6
Fiji 7
Japan 8
Usa 9
 Romania 10
 Italia 11
 Argentina 12
 Tonga 13
Ireland 14
Wales 15
W.Samoa 16
Scotland 17
 Australia 18
England 19
France 20
New Zealand 21
South Africa 22

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