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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Stefan Petrescu » Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 10:18

After looking at statistics and watching a few games of the SuperLiga, I have picked the most in form 23 players in the league. If there are any suggestions then please say so.

CEC Bank SuperLiga

Head Coach - Eugen Apjok

1.) Nika Pataraia 2.) Eugen Căpățână 3.) Constantin Pristăviță


4.) Marius Dănilă 5.) Valentin Popârlan (C)

6.) Cristian-Marius Murgoci 7.) Kuselo Moyake

8.) Eseria Vueti

9.) Florin Surugiu

10.) Ovidiu Melniciuc

12.) Florin Vlaicu (GK)

13.) Tevita Manumua

11.) Alexandru Porojan 14.) Marius Simionescu

15.) Dorin Manole


16.) Ovidiu Cojocaru
17.) Cosmin Manole
18.) Vlad-Bogdan Rotar
19.) Dorin Lăzar
20.) Alexandru Țiglă
21.) Tudor Boldor
22.) Moa Mua Maliepo
23.) Talia`uli Sikuea

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 12:52

Yesterday Final results:
SCM Timisoara - CSM Baia Mare 17 - 23 (10 -10) CSM Baia Mare keep their SuperLiga CEC Bank title.
(https://www.facebook.com/242479193269/v ... 6572795301)

A competitive game equally balanced. Timisoara made too many mistakes and did not know how to take advantage in key moments.
Often questioning Vlad Iordachescu (referee) decisions, they lost focus on what was on hand.
Baia Mare much more pragmatic, got the points when needed.

Couple of very good games for the young Baia Mare full back Paul Popoaia (20 yo) should get him a call for the international window.
Cojocaru, Pristavita, Rosu from Baia Mare...Simionescu, Muresan, Manumua from Timisoara had good games in both semis and the final... Not sure if Manumua is eligible yet, but he will be a great addition to the Oaks team. Expected more from Moa Maliepo in the final but his thoughts must be at MLR and moving to US.

For the 3-rd place earlier in the day:
CS Steaua Bucuresti - Dinamo Bucuresti 33-13 (19-3)
(https://www.facebook.com/242479193269/v ... 211711678/)

Some considerations after return to competitive games:
It was a good start (or rather end, of the 2019-2020) season. A few very close games and players did look ok after a long break...Andy Robinson should be able to have an ideea with who attacks the REC qualifications next year.
I do hope Dinamo gets a bit stronger to put some preasure on the top 3. Tomitanii Constanta and U Cluj look like a couple of levels down and need to build up more strength or a new game strategy if they are to challenge top 3. There are some moves to bring Petrosani club in SuperLiga but I don't expect to be above U Cluj at this stage.
The second division (DNS) are unlikely to finish the competition...The national health guidance means that teams would need regular testing (i think it's every 14 days, too expensive at this level) and are not able to create 'bubbles', with players that have other jobs. Maybe they'll find a different solution. Junior rugby needs to restart competitive games - Baia Mare, Bucuresti, Gura Humorului, Birlad and Constanta are great centers and need that support.
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 15:01

Romanian Rugby Cup 2020 starts this weekend.
The superliga teams split in 2 groups of 3 playing home and away, starting this weekend.

Final scheduled 28th November in Bucharest (probably on the new stadium Arcul de Triumf - sound system testing here: https://www.facebook.com/rugbyromania/v ... 6496733938 )

Grupa A
CSM Știința Baia Mare
CSU Cluj Napoca
SCM Rugby Timișoara

Grupa B
CSA Steaua Bucuresti
CS Dinamo Bucuresti
CS Tomitanii Constanta

This weekend 19 Sep 2020:
1. CSM Stiinta Baia Mare – CS U Cluj, Stadion Arena Zimbrilor, ora 15:00
2. CSA Steaua Bucuresti – CS Tomitanii Constanta, Stadion Ghencea, ora 12:00 (Live on national TVR1 channel)


https://www.super-liga.ro/2020/09/14/cu ... l-complet/
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Sat, 19 Sep 2020, 15:34

Today's Romanian Cup results:
CSA Steaua Bucuresti – CS Tomitanii Constanta 66-20 (24-3)
CSM Stiinta Baia Mare – CS U Cluj 96-6 (61-6)


Some huge scores for the favourites ...and this without running first teams...
The gap seems to increase between Baia Mare, Steaua, Timisoara and the rest.

2-nd round next week-end:
26 Sep 2020

3. CS U Cluj – SCM Rugby Timisoara, Stadion Iuliu Hatieganu
4. CS Tomitanii – CS Dinamo, Stadion M.Naca

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 13:53

Your guys’ stadium is looking nice as hell. I’m super jealous of this.

https://twitter.com/rugbyromania/status ... 96579?s=21

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 19:21

Tobar wrote:Your guys’ stadium is looking nice as hell. I’m super jealous of this.

https://twitter.com/rugbyromania/status ... 96579?s=21


Yes its a 'boutique' stadion, prime location, so close to hotels, restaurants, parks, center of town....it will be strange to see it opened with no spectators on Nov 1st!...
If the Romainian Rugby Union finally gets the administration rights, it could become a magnet to Rugby Europe competitions. As it was funded with public money, other's sports are likely to use it but should continue to remain the home of 'Oaks' rugby.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Tiernster » Sun, 20 Sep 2020, 21:18

The new stadium looks really good. Looking at current situation both Georgia and Russia have reasonable infrastructure and semi professional clubs.
Does a black sea league with 2 separate conferences as a way to promote their internal leagues?

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 13:11

Tiernster wrote:The new stadium looks really good. Looking at current situation both Georgia and Russia have reasonable infrastructure and semi professional clubs.
Does a black sea league with 2 separate conferences as a way to promote their internal leagues?


That's possible but not sure how likely... It needs to be sustainable financially and cannot see how that would happen.
Romanian and Georgian Unions will not have the money and know-how to run it as an enterprise, which leaves the Russians to control the entity. I don't think either Georgia or Romania will go with it.

The most acceptable scenario is to have some kind of Tier 2 - SemiPro 8 under Rugby Europe: where 1 Romanian, 1 Georgian, 1 Russian, 1 German, 1 Spanish, 1 Italian, 1 German, 1 Dutch would play in 2 groups of 4 with semifinals and a final...with the ideea that a next level down exist: 1 Belgium, 1 Polish, 1 Chech, 1 Swiss, 1 Swedish, 1 Ucrainian ...and in time eventually a promotion relegation system.
It needs to be European based in order to get finance, enough visibility and local traction.
Hard to get such a competition under an EPRC umbrella when many of these clubs are somewhere between semi-pro and amateur, meaning Rugby Europe patronage.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 18:00

I don't think there is an appetite in many countries for this semiPro 8 concept. Russia and Italy already have fully professional teams so it is of no value to them. Georgia is looking to move up to professional tier 1 level. Many other countries aren't even at a semi pro level, and those that are, like Spain, probably want to concentrate on developing their own league.
In Romania there are 4 clubs that can be at a professional standard and play meaningful games against eachother, and 2 which really should be in a lower league. It would be beneficial if Steaua, Dinamo, Stiinta Baia Mare and Timisoara had other professional standard teams to play without having to travel far. Hungary, Bulgaria and Moldova are all World Rugby ranked teams but probably can't field a team any better than CS U Cluj. Maybe these teams could play in an eastern Europe pro D2.
A lot of the Ukraine national team play for RC Kredo 63 in Odessa, which is not far from Romania. Having a team play against Romanian Superliga teams could be beneficial to both Ukraine and Romania. That's only one team but when you only have 4 professional standard teams, one more is worth having.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Tiernster » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 18:18

The way I see it it could be a culmination on the current leagues to minimise travel but a product that could be a better competitor then Russia for places in European competition.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 18:38

Chester-Donnelly wrote:I don't think there is an appetite in many countries for this semiPro 8 concept. Russia and Italy already have fully professional teams so it is of no value to them. Georgia is looking to move up to professional tier 1 level. Many other countries aren't even at a semi pro level, and those that are, like Spain, probably want to concentrate on developing their own league.
In Romania there are 4 clubs that can be at a professional standard and play meaningful games against eachother, and 2 which really should be in a lower league. It would be beneficial if Steaua, Dinamo, Stiinta Baia Mare and Timisoara had other professional standard teams to play without having to travel far. Hungary, Bulgaria and Moldova are all World Rugby ranked teams but probably can't field a team any better than CS U Cluj. Maybe these teams could play in an eastern Europe pro D2.
A lot of the Ukraine national team play for RC Kredo 63 in Odessa, which is not far from Romania. Having a team play against Romanian Superliga teams could be beneficial to both Ukraine and Romania. That's only one team but when you only have 4 professional standard teams, one more is worth having.


You are probably right on the naming as 'SemiPro8'...i suggested it only because outside russian and romanian leagues the club scene is at best semi-pro. Top 2 in russian, georgian, romanian, spanish and italian (outside zebre and benetton) leagues + german could be a competitive group. The European Shield was the correct event but under the wrong umbrella!!...EPRC had no interest in it, but under Rugby Europe could be set as a project at club level and it has to reach more countries at both level of development Tier2&3. As a regional Eastern European event, it could only be bankrolled by the russians, outside rugby europe but pretty sure the romanian and georgian would not go with it.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Tiernster » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:07

Any reason the Romanians and Georgians wouldn't just go them selves together, 2 conferences, similar concept to Pro 14. Standard of league would be strong

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:09

Romania was ready to go with the Continental Club Rugby League. I still think that would be beneficial for Russia and Romania, especially Romania, because of a lack of different teams they get to play. Bucuresti Wolves in the European Challenge Cup would also be valuable experience for Romanian rugby.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:42

Tiernster wrote:Any reason the Romanians and Georgians wouldn't just go them selves together, 2 conferences, similar concept to Pro 14. Standard of league would be strong


Is such a partnership 50/50?...you cannot rule out, against the ideea, a national characteristic 'vis-à-vis' our neighbours in the east...it has historical conotations!...same probably applies for the Georgians.
As an example, it's like the germans would make a cricket league and ask the brits to be a sparring partner in it...you will probably see then the well known british 'stiff upper lip'!
Bucuresti Wolves as a franchise is a different type solution and that could work for Romanian rugby in the absence of any other organised Europe club based event... It would dilute the club element and weaken SuperLiga ..also not sure if it would bring together clubs like Baia Mare, Timisoara or Steaua....It may be the easier to implement solution...But even then, such a solution will rely on an invitation to participate in the groups of EPRC, this would come if Romanian rugby improves.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:53

If Buchares Wolves franchise doesn't get of the ground, I would still prefer the top of Spanish, Italian, Russians, Romanian, Georgians, Germans to have a pan European club competition, like European Shield, under Rugby Europe and a well thought plan....It's more like wishfull thinking as I know RE struggle to deliver the competitions at national level, nevermind the club landscape development.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:58

Tiernster wrote:Any reason the Romanians and Georgians wouldn't just go them selves together, 2 conferences, similar concept to Pro 14. Standard of league would be strong


Maybe it would have worked if the 2 countries were close...but is a sea in between!!...I would still have questions of governance and financial viability of such project.

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:06

How much $ is a flight from Romania and Georgia? Only Bucharest-Tbilisi or there are others? I guess going from Baia Mare to Batumi is not the the easiest/logical trip in a sport not loaded with $...
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:07

hey we are not totaly against the russians...:)..there are a couple of friendly ties (A teams) scheduled in Oct/Nov, i think first one on the 25th Oct somewhere in Russia...then again mid Nov, after the Belgium REC game.
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:09

BTW, there isn't a single direct flight from Bucharest to Tbilisi??? Realy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tbilisi_I ... al_Airport

What you do in the REC? Connection in Istanbul? Kiev?

How people expect a viable clubs cup/league with such situation?
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:19

victorsra wrote:How much $ is a flight from Romania and Georgia? Only Bucharest-Tbilisi or there are others? I guess going from Baia Mare to Batumi is not the the easiest/logical trip in a sport not loaded with $...


It's 1h 30 min from Timisoara / Baia Mare to Munich, 3h 30 min to Madrid...and a huge detour to Batumi either via Bucharest & Istanbul or go to Munich and a 4h flight trip to Batumi...
So it's easier to play in Madrid than in Batumi...

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:23

And a simple Bucharest-Tbilisi? How much time and $?
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:26

And Baia Mare-Timisoara by road is 5-6h.... according to Google maps....

BTW, Tbilisi-Batumi by road is 5-6h too.
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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby dans » Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 20:35

victorsra wrote:And a simple Bucharest-Tbilisi? How much time and $?


It has to go through Istanbul...Bucharest - Istanbul (1h 30 min) then Istanbul - Tbilisi (2h 45min)...It costs about £200

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby iul » Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 06:25

Wizzair has direct flights from Budapest to Kutaisi. For several Romanian clubs that would be a viable route

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Re: Romanian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 16:19

"Viable". The whole trip would take like 12h, incluiding bus, airport, bus... and for clubs that live in the limit of professionalism. And to generate nothing more than what they have now. A Black Sea League would be basicaly more costs and no revenues.
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