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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 16:24

I think I misread something. But it says 168million fans in emerging nations, right? And it also says 23% of Indians are rugby fans? But 23% of India = 300million people...

So, it is 23% of what? Total population, sports fans, adults?

In Brazil's case, 25% of the population, 25% of adults, 25% of sports fans, all are obviously unreal. Unless every single sports channel/media, sports marketing guy and rugby people here are enourmously incompetent. It basicaly can't be true we have 50 million rugby fans. It is more than Argentina's whole population.

Do you see why I say those numbers look fake-ish? There must be something in the methods or concepts that we are misreading. I'd appreciate a lot if someone could properly explain it to me.

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Re: Small news

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 16:41

Methodology, Page 5: "The population figures used for extrapolations are based on the total population for each country aged 16-69 as this is the population represented by the survey sample"

So according to Nielsen, there are 35 million rugby fans in Brazil.
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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 16:42

Well, 23% of India is 300 million people. Not sure how many of them are 16-69, but it only needs half to be to make the 168 mathematicaly impossible. And if 25% of Brazilians are also counted + other countries, come on, only ~30% of Indians age 16-69? More or less this? :lol:

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 16:47

Just checked: 63.6% of India's population ages 15-64. It means more than 750 million people.

So, it can't be 23% of 16-69 yo people. 23% of 750mi = ~175mi.

Maybe 2,3% of India? :lol: Sounds more likely....

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:10

The definition of Fan for Nielsen is very loose indeed. ¿What is a Rugby fan? A person who watches few Rugby matches a year on TV is someone interested in Rugby but not a fan.
IMO to be a Fan requires to assist to the stadium frequently to support its team and/or to follow the national and international results not only during a RWC.

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:12

ficcp wrote:The definition of Fan for Nielsen is very loose indeed. ¿What is a Rugby fan? A person who watches few Rugby matches a year on TV is someone interested in Rugby but not a fan.
IMO to be a Fan requires to assist to the stadium frequently to support its team and/or to follow the national and international results not only during a RWC.


Loose, but India basicaly shows its maths are wrong no matter the concept of fan. 23% of India (16-69 yos) alone is bigger than the total emerging nations number they gave.

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:28

How much did Nielsen charged for the marketing Report?
There are 57.000 registered players in India (Wikipedia), in accordance with Nielsen India would have 3070 fans for each player. I know that indian families are huge for western standards but I think Nielsen considered several generations of predecesoors....

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:52

And those 57.000 that WR says are definitly not realy true. They are probably counting kids that occasionaly play tag rugby. India barely has a national 15-a-side competition.

Just have a look at clubs and competitions https://indiarugby.com/

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 18:05

Bingo! https://indiarugby.com/ says 8.000 players

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 18:17

Are the young Touch Rugby players included in that account? Anyway, Rugby in India is anecdotic for such a huge country. Figures of fans or people interested in the sport were extremely exaggerated by Nielsen. Situation could be similar in China, Mexico and Brazil as well, markets spotted with interesting potential in the Report.

Víctor : I could not unload the original World Rugby report, do you have that link?

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 13:48

Armchair Fan wrote:I bring you a well needed source of laughs. Nielsen report on the growth of rugby, including magical figures like 25% of Brazilians or 23% of Indians declaring themselves as rugby fans:
https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugb ... 19-EN-.pdf

Here

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 15:50

The key term is "Unprecedented growth" :)
I think you may find it in every IRB/WR report. It remembers the wikipedia standard pages about rugby in the minor nations: "Rugby in (Belize, Albania, Nepal...) is a minor but fast growing sport". And you always ask yourself where is it that fast grow

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 17:47

The part of the Nielsen dossier dedicated to Africa (the link downloads a pdf) https://bit.ly/2HUXqeJ

Some unexpected results: in Madagascar just 19% is "very interested" in rugby, same percentage of Zambia.
I wonder if a similar dossier exists for Europe, I'm curios to see the Italian data

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 17:55

victorsra wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:I bring you a well needed source of laughs. Nielsen report on the growth of rugby, including magical figures like 25% of Brazilians or 23% of Indians declaring themselves as rugby fans:
https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugb ... 19-EN-.pdf

Here


obrigado.

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 18:38

Canalina wrote:The part of the Nielsen dossier dedicated to Africa (the link downloads a pdf) https://bit.ly/2HUXqeJ

Some unexpected results: in Madagascar just 19% is "very interested" in rugby, same percentage of Zambia.
I wonder if a similar dossier exists for Europe, I'm curios to see the Italian data


Madagascar is one of the few countries where Rugby Union is one of the most important Sports. The french colonialists spread out the game which become a working class activity.For the 2015 RWC classification they gathered 40.000 people in the match they defeated Namibia, they play with an admirable attitude and enthusiasm although they are not physically big. The first division tournament attracts 8 K espectators per game on average. They were runners up of the African Cup back in 2005 and 2007, now the play in the Silver or 2nd string group.

There are 22,5 K registered players in Madagascar(but another estimate is 40 K) for a population of 26,2 millions while in Zambia there are only 10 K players for a population of 17,3 millions. Madagascar has another remarkable register : more female than male players.
If 19 % of the people are "very interested" it means 4,2 millions which it seems just too much!!!

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Fri, 06 Nov 2020, 20:07

Toulon v Brive, eighth round of Top14, live here now
https://www.canalplus.com/live/?channel=450

It's the Canal Plus official live stream, not a pirate one

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Re: Small news

Postby Thomas » Sat, 07 Nov 2020, 18:20

Nicaragua finally reinstated as Associated Member of Sudamerica Rugby.. Good news for the region.

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Sat, 07 Nov 2020, 18:52

Were they suspended because of some unfair act or because a too exiguous activity?

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Re: Small news

Postby Thomas » Sat, 07 Nov 2020, 20:03

exiguous ....

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Sat, 14 Nov 2020, 17:44

Some small news

Henrique Joanatas is the new coach of men's Mozambique national team. He is from Portugal, he has a long training curriculum, he was a CDUL player for ten years and he wore twice the national team jersey
https://www.facebook.com/federacaomocam ... 2134101801

The Usa South select return today to the field with a match versus Nola Gold Academy
Here's the list of selected players https://www.facebook.com/USARugbySouthP ... 2237099717

As someone already wrote, yesterday the Cook Islands Tri Nations started in Rarotonga. Competing teams are the Cook (local players, probably), the Fijian residents and the Samoan residents.
First match, yesterday: Cook v Fiji (I don't know the score)
To note that Cook Islands have just 20,000 inhabitants; you would imagine that the ones coming from Fiji or Samoa are a tiny part of the population, but they are enough to assemble two XV squads

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Re: Small news

Postby Canalina » Mon, 16 Nov 2020, 19:34

'BALKAN CATS' ('BALKANSKI KOTKI') are RUGBY champion of BULGARIA!
The team from Berkovitsa won with 27:18 as a guest LOCOMOTIVE (Sofia) in the last round of the short (KOVID-19) season of the Bulgarian championship.
The 'CATS' defended their title from 2019 and will remain on the throne at least until next year.
"Thank you for the great rivalry of our worthy opponents. Many thanks to all our fans, partners, sponsors and people who help us for free. See you in the spring", we read in the official page of 'BALKAN CATS'.

Full match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsSVwhSV_SE

(from Bulgarian Rugby Fans facebook page)

* Berkovitsa is a town of 17,000 inhabitants near the north-western border of Bulgaria, near Serbia but not far from Sofia

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Re: Small news

Postby RugbySwizzie » Wed, 18 Nov 2020, 13:00

The coverage of the Cook Islands vs. Fiji Residents game is available on the Vaka TV Youtube channel.
The Kukis won the game 15:10 with a try in overtime.
I think aswell that the Fijian team seems to consist of local players, as the commentator (another local, I assume) knew many of their names and used them quite casually.

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Re: Small news

Postby victorsra » Mon, 23 Nov 2020, 23:20

Nice news from Mongolia: https://www.asiarugby.com/2020/11/17/mi ... holarship/ A Mongolian player received schoolarship to play in Japan.

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Tue, 24 Nov 2020, 02:35

Great iniative from Leitch. If the Mongolians can revive their horsenmen ancestors´ fighting spirit in a Rugby pitch, they will be fearsome.

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Re: Small news

Postby ficcp » Tue, 24 Nov 2020, 02:42

Thomas wrote:Nicaragua finally reinstated as Associated Member of Sudamerica Rugby.. Good news for the region.

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If they behave well, maybe they will have the opportunity to play in a championship in 5 years...

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