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Re: South American rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 11 Dec 2020, 00:09

It is very unfortunate that 2 countries which participated in the Sevens Challenger back in February in Viña del Mar, Colombia and Paraguay, are not present in this "Sudamericano". If there are at least 8 countries with a representative men VII team in Southamerica, it is difficult to understand why the tournament is played by 4 only. The distances are not so big in Sevens, it would have been a good opportunity for the before mentioned countries plus Perú and Venezuela to compete and to improve in this tournament.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Fri, 11 Dec 2020, 01:01

ficcp wrote:SANTIAGO MASTER GAMES will take place during the second and third week of March 2021. The games are an official activity of ODESUR, organised for the first time in the region. It will consider 12 sports, 6 for individuals an 6 for teams.
Rugby will be played in the Prince of Wales Country Club in 3 different categories : Women(10 a side) 35+ yo, Men(15 a side) 40-49 yo and 50+ yo. It is a very good opportunity for Rugby legends of Southamerica to show how their skills and attitude are still there. The technical aspects of the competition will be defined and regulated by SUDAMERICARUGBY.
I expect we will have more team countries in this tournament than in the Sevens southamerican Championship.


SANTIAGO MASTER GAMES were postponed for a future date during 2021.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 15:17

Sudamerica Rugby Sevens live on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p72t-h96cZo


Round 1:
Brazil 12 -12 Chile
Uruguay 00-53 Argentina

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 17:38

Chile 07-00 Uruguay

Brazil 19-10 Argentina :D :shock: amazing result. First victory for Brazil against Argentina since 2011. First one against the WSS Pumas squad.

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Re: South American rugby

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 23:29

Closing the day:
Argentina 50-12 Chile
Brazil 45-00 Uruguay

Sunday - semifinals (local time)
11:20 - Argentina - Chile
11h44 - Brazil - Uruguay

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 01:54

Brazil played very well against Argentina, they deserved to win. The latter showed its real level against Chile with a top performance. Uruguay with a junior team, could only compete against an underperforming chilean team but was no opposition for Brazil or Argentina. IMO the best team is Argentina and the second one is Brazil, I do not see possibilities for the chilean team to go to Tokyo Olympic games if the players do not improve dramatically their performance. I hope this generation can make it ! I don´t think they will get more competition before the repechage .
Argentina will be competitive in Tokyo. Let´s hpe another southamerican team can arrive there.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 02:51

It is curious. When the Tupis were in the road to Rio 2016 they couldn't beat any WSS team. Now they made it, when sevens is the last priority for the Brazilian Rugby Union.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 03:01

The Tupís have the advantage of the XV "oiled" players. Their dynamic was better than that of the argentinians, they had played the Sudamericano XV and the tour to Portugal and they showed it. The chileans were completely rusty in the matches against Uruguay and Argentina( I did not see the draw with the Tupis). Anyway, I think to use the XV players is a "one shot" policy that could work for one event (Tokyo) but not for the Sevens circuit which comprends several events.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 03:09

I expect the final will be between Brazil and Argentina. The latter, with its best line up and a performance like that against Chile is a very hard team to beat.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 15:08

Semifinals:

Argentina 29-05 Chile
Brazil 29-00 Uruguay


To watch live:

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Pedro1 » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 15:46

I don't understand why Brazil doesn't use the 7s to give young players experience. Sure, don't through a complete new team to the wolves, but at least a mixed squad would make sense. What's the point here?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 16:41

I suppose they pretend to arrive to Tokyo olympic games. A squad of the proved XV players is showing they could be competitive in the Sevens Repechage tournament. A squad with young promissory Sevens players would be closer to the team Uruguay presented in this tournament, with few possibilities in the pre-olympic competition.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 16:47

Yes, exactly, Olympics. We are still playng to Qualify.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 17:29

3rd place - Chile 31 - 05 Uruguay

FINAL - Brazil 14 - 26 Argentina

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 18:22

The best two teams made it to the final. Argentina played for moments at a "sevens circuit" level, but Brazil has improved a lot since the Sevens Challenger last Summer. IMO the southamerican teams classified for the repechage (Brazil and Chile) have no possibilities to win it. Samoa. Tonga, France and Ireland look as obstacles just too high.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:21

Well, Brazil improved because in the Sevens Challenger the squad used was a development one. Just 3 players of the Challenger were now in Valparaiso. The squad this weakend was basicaly the best one.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Pichulonko » Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 19:09

ficcp wrote:The best two teams made it to the final. Argentina played for moments at a "sevens circuit" level, but Brazil has improved a lot since the Sevens Challenger last Summer. IMO the southamerican teams classified for the repechage (Brazil and Chile) have no possibilities to win it. Samoa. Tonga, France and Ireland look as obstacles just too high.

Samoa, yes, but Tonga? I don't think so.

Chile's level is right in the middle of the pack competing for the last spot, behind France, Samoa, and Ireland but on par with Hong Kong and ahead of Tonga, Uganda and Zimbabwe. With this being said I believe there's no chance France will be missing out of Tokyo 2021.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 21:47

Behind Brazil also. Os Tupís draw with Chile but they played better against Argentina and uruguay.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 22:23

Not sure if Chile is realy behind Brazil.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Pichulonko » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 00:49

Brazil's sevens is a tricky subject. When they field dedicated 7s players they don't do very well, but when they decide to field their best rugby players, including those in 15s, they put on performances like the one we saw in Valparaiso though truth be told, most of those guys are not sevens players.

Chile is the complete opposite. We have a dedicated sevens program where only a few play 15s regularly. Problem is long time head coach Edmundo Olfos was transferred over to the women's program and the boys are still adapting to changes. Nevertheless new names are always being added, with a large pool of players to choose from. When Chile is fit they are capable of playing at a World Series level rugby.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 01:10

As I mentioned before, the policy of Brazil Rugby can be effective for one event only, as the Olympic Games are. For the Sevens circuit is not possible to play with XV players only. The main goal of Chile Rugby had been to join the Sevens Circuit which requires a complete different squad. This generation of chilean VII players have worked very hard and deserve to join the circuit, but they will have to improve their current level to do so.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby Pichulonko » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 04:15

I don't know what you mean when you say "this generation". Chile showed the highest level of rugby at the 2018 World Cup where they finished 17th overall and winning the Bowl and out of that team only five players remain (names in caps). Like I mentioned above, Chile has a pool of about 25 players to choose from and is slowly transitioning to an entire new group of players as the old guard slowly fades from international competition. Players like Brangier, Urroz, Wescott and De Vits will soon retire from international play. Let us hope that they are able to do so after playing in the Olympics or in the World Series or both. They deserve it.

Chile Sevens Roster in Valparaiso
Felipe BRANGIER
Benjamín DE VIDTS
Bastián DÍAZ
Santiago EDWARDS
Matías GARAFULIC
Benjamín GOÑI
Alessandro METTIFOGO
José Agustín PLANELLA
Luca STRABUCCHI
Marcelo TORREALBA
Francisco URROZ
Franco VELARDE
Lucas WESTCOTT

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 14:45

"This generation" of players is the core group who conformed the squad since 2016 and have participated in most of the several tournaments : Blanc, Brangier, De Vidts, Garafulic, Metuaze, Silva , Torrealba, Urroz and Wascott. Some of them retired already from the squad, some others will retire soon.

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