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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 14:55

Pichulonko wrote:Brazil's sevens is a tricky subject. When they field dedicated 7s players they don't do very well, but when they decide to field their best rugby players, including those in 15s, they put on performances like the one we saw in Valparaiso though truth be told, most of those guys are not sevens players.

Chile is the complete opposite. We have a dedicated sevens program where only a few play 15s regularly. Problem is long time head coach Edmundo Olfos was transferred over to the women's program and the boys are still adapting to changes. Nevertheless new names are always being added, with a large pool of players to choose from. When Chile is fit they are capable of playing at a World Series level rugby.


Brazil doesn't have dedicated sevens players. What you mean is when Brazil fields a development squad (that is not sevens-dedicated, it is just improvised...).

BTW, men's sevens is currently in a ridiculous condition in Brazil. Clubs don't even want to play the 1 tournament, the national championship, that exist here. The only succesful tournament is the traditional SPAC Lions 7s in December, that is mostly for fun. Brazil doesn't have a proper men's sevens scene.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 15:49

victorsra wrote:
Pichulonko wrote:Brazil's sevens is a tricky subject. When they field dedicated 7s players they don't do very well, but when they decide to field their best rugby players, including those in 15s, they put on performances like the one we saw in Valparaiso though truth be told, most of those guys are not sevens players.

Chile is the complete opposite. We have a dedicated sevens program where only a few play 15s regularly. Problem is long time head coach Edmundo Olfos was transferred over to the women's program and the boys are still adapting to changes. Nevertheless new names are always being added, with a large pool of players to choose from. When Chile is fit they are capable of playing at a World Series level rugby.


Brazil doesn't have dedicated sevens players. What you mean is when Brazil fields a development squad (that is not sevens-dedicated, it is just improvised...).

[url]BTW, men's sevens is currently in a ridiculous condition in Brazil. Clubs don't even want to play the 1 tournament, the national championship, that exist here. The only succesful tournament is the traditional SPAC Lions 7s in December, that is mostly for fun. Brazil doesn't have a proper men's sevens scene.


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Victor : How do you explain the difference between Women´s VII and Men´s VII in Brazil? Are there many clubs that participate in the female competition?

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 19:17

Easy. Rugby in Brazil hasn't grown in terms of players numbers because of Rio 2016. It was growing before Rio was elected as host. Therefore, rugby sevens played a very small role in the recent development of Brazilian men's rugby. What the Olympics realy did was basicaly to make it possible for the Brazilian Rugby Union to grow their budget and, of course, to create awareness. But sevens was never an important part of Brazilian clubs.

Women, in the other hand, only have sevens to play, because it is easier to find players enough for a sevens team, but not for 15s. Women's 15s was part of the project until 2008 (remember, Brazil formed a national team in 2008 to visit Netherlands, and club 15s was going on here). Once sevens became Olympic (the anouncement was in 2009), they basicaly stopped trying to play 15s, as sevens offered a professional path for players, specialy because they dominate South America. And, again, easier to make it happen at club level. Which meant 100% of women's rugby was sevens until now. Only since 2019 they are trying to go back to 15s.

And yes, there is a big number of clubs with sevens. Almost all major Brazilian clubs have a womens sevens team, which is very different from Argentina or Uruguay. In Brazil it gives your club a bad image if you don't have a womens team. It is unacceptable to not have space for a womens team in your club. And our clubs don't even own rugby fields.

A club with a dozen fields but without a womens team is ludicrous, which makes it surreal that such reality is accepted as "natural" or "normal" or "cultural" in Argentina, for exemple.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby ficcp » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 20:36

But, are there grassroots in the women Rugby structure? At what time do they start? In Chile most women start with Rugby at 18 YO, few clubs have youngster teams although that is improving. Women Rugby XV is also a project not materialized yet.

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Re: South American rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Dec 2020, 20:56

As in men's rugby, women's U20s is small in Brazil. But there are 4 states with U19s sevens competitons and a national sevens championship for "provincial" (states, in our case) teams.

Women 15-a-side club rugby in South America only in Colombia (not sure about Venezuela now). Brazil and Argentina have iniciatives AFAIK, but still in embryo stage. However, Brazil made the national team happen in 2019 and 2020, playing against Colombia (1 test in each year).

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