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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 16:53

RugbyLiebe wrote:Seriously?
An old and very important church nearly burnt down. That's what sadly happens with old buildings some times. Off course it will be rebuild with a probably really big effort. This has f*** all to do with "Goodbye Europe" and f*** all with a kid in a western style outfit smiling.

Leave your conspiracy theories to idiots and don't become one. You know, that I respect you, but that's too much nonsense.

The problem is most Europeans think that these are just pieces of stone.
Farewell is not a prediction of end of Europe.

Its just that Russia and Europe are not on the way. We are different.
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Postby Vova12 » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 17:15

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And here is where you are wrong. Europe has definitely changed towards the Anglo-Saxon-direction, a more radical capitalism to be precise, as it goes hand-in-hand with the promise of personal freedom. What this leads to, if this promise is a real thing, that is something worth discussing. That's the change, the growing irrelevance of religion on personal lifes in Europe is a thing happening since the 1960ies. The fall of the Iron curtain is the thing which changed a lot as the balance of powers also meant that a radical capitalism like in the USA today, had no chance (not even in the USA until Reagan).

But this has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with LGBT or Islam. It is a logical influence of money that creates more money and starts to buy things or laws to create even more money. But both topics are used to distract from real problems though by creating fear in small minded people.

The US and Europe are not allies but competitors. Primarly economic.
When you understand this you will begin to understand everything else ...
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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 17:30

The level of approval of Stalin in Russia broke the historical record
https://ria.ru/20190416/1552727270.html

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 06:47

Vova12 wrote:
Its just that Russia and Europe are not on the way. We are different.


The Notre Dame cathedral is a national symbol. But also a symbol, which was used as a winery and a temple for the "Supreme Being" in the late 18th century, when the French revolution changed the French (and actually the European) society forever.
It is a big tragedy, but those things happen.
I think there are slightly too many conspiracy theories about basically everything flying around in Russia to be healthy.

Vova12 wrote:The US and Europe are not allies but competitors. Primarly economic.
When you understand this you will begin to understand everything else ...


Whoever doesn't understand this is a fool. It is the grade how competitors act in the market what's the most important. And I think we are on the same boat, that the USA has seen times where they had a more foresighted policy. I also think that sometimes a more continental focus of EU politics wouldn't be too bad. Especially as Russia is a nation, which actually sticks to contracts when once signed. We are probably also on the same boat, that the shift from policies for the good of humans has changed too much to policies for corporations.
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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 06:51

STMKY wrote:The level of approval of Stalin in Russia broke the historical record
https://ria.ru/20190416/1552727270.html


Maybe time for Russia to start having a critically analysis of their past, if they approve of mass murderings as a political action. But that critical reappraisal is probably only a very Western German thing.
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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 08:40

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Maybe time for Russia to start having a critically analysis of their past, if they approve of mass murderings as a political action. But that critical reappraisal is probably only a very Western German thing.


You make a conclusion based on myths that have been promoting for decades on West. And we know who Stalin was and what he really did for the Russian people. It is not for nothing that he is considered the greatest ruler in the history of Russia. Despite the fact that after his death at the time of Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, he was actively splashed with mud. But all the people can not be fooled.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 09:16

He was still a mass murderer.
Choose your favourite number, list with plenty of different sources/estimations.
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Stalin
Consens talk about 20 million, while the median is 30 million. But as I said choose your number from the sources, please.

Yeah, you can have your national pride, but you don't need to lie to yourself just to uphold something like that.
Did Stalin do some good things? Probably, that's up to Russian to decide. But still he was a psychopathic mass murderer. That a large portion of Russian population considers someone like this to be the greatest ruler of their country, is special and is not a good sign for today's Russia at all.
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Re: Immigration

Postby STMKY » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 09:51

You have confirmed my conclusion. You believe any myths. And in fact in the USSR from 1924 to 1953 about 600 thousand people were shot. The Trotskyists, the opponents of Stalin, began these repressions. But when Stalin removed them from power, gained control over the basic services, in response, the repressions were turned against the Trotskyists. People remember that. Stalin then slept a lot of ordinary people. The Trotskyists worked for the interests of Wall Street and the West. Trotsky called the Russian people a brushwood for the world revolution. But you don't know that. You say "Stalin is a murderer," and "Trotsky is a normal guy." And in Russia, people think the opposite. What do you think who knows more about this situation? Probably Russians. They lived during Stalin and Trotsky.

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Re: Immigration

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 11:39

And then there is Germans who tought Hitler was a good guy until they saw the concentration camps first hand. In Germany you can easily trace down, how this historical appraisal was done in the West and in the East (there actually close to not at all). And no not everything is a conspiracy by "Anglo-Saxons".

I couldn't care less about Trotzki btw., who wasn't in the Sowjet Union since 1929 and killed in 1940. This is about Stalin. Maybe you should start to considerate, that he was simply paranoid and seeing conspiracies everywhere, when it was actually mistakes of the government itself. It is easier to believe that than to admit, that some decisions were simply wrong and Stalin's own fault.

But I see, we should agree to disagree. Have a great day.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 17:06

RugbyLiebe wrote:
The Notre Dame cathedral is a national symbol. But also a symbol, which was used as a winery and a temple for the "Supreme Being" in the late 18th century, when the French revolution changed the French (and actually the European) society forever.
It is a big tragedy, but those things happen.
I think there are slightly too many conspiracy theories about basically everything flying around in Russia to be healthy.


Look at poll about sympathy for Russia from European states.

https://www.pewglobal.org/2017/08/16/pu ... in-russia/

Of course Russian aliens for modern Europe.


RugbyLiebe wrote:Whoever doesn't understand this is a fool. It is the grade how competitors act in the market what's the most important. And I think we are on the same boat, that the USA has seen times where they had a more foresighted policy. I also think that sometimes a more continental focus of EU politics wouldn't be too bad. Especially as Russia is a nation, which actually sticks to contracts when once signed. We are probably also on the same boat, that the shift from policies for the good of humans has changed too much to policies for corporations.

In the same boat? Now yes. But what happens next?
There are fewer resourcs and more mouths!

A resident of West wants to live at a good level.
Russian will be able to protect themselves, Chinese too.

I think that US will rob continental Europe.
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 17:22

Paranoid Stalin?

We all recently saw how communist elite betrayed USSR in order to seize countrys assets and subsoil.
This was under Gorbachev. After that all communist leaders became democrats!
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Re: Immigration

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 18:33

To persuade Mr. Trump, according to people briefed on the conversation, officials including Ms. Haspel also tried to show him that Mr. Skripal and his daughter were not the only victims of Russia’s attack.

Ms. Haspel showed pictures the British government had supplied her of young children hospitalized after being sickened by the Novichok nerve agent that poisoned the Skripals. She then showed a photograph of ducks that British officials said were inadvertently killed by the sloppy work of the Russian operatives.

Ms. Haspel was not the first to use emotional images to appeal to the president, but pairing it with her hard-nosed realism proved effective: Mr. Trump fixated on the pictures of the sickened children and the dead ducks. At the end of the briefing, he embraced the strong option.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/p ... trump.html

Next time will she show Trump photos radioactiv Warsaw and Bucharest?
What lies lie to us next time?
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 18 Apr 2019, 18:51

Stalin - myth. Symbol. The protest against injustice in a democratic Russia.
None of those who voted for Stalin now wants to live at that time !
Many in Russia are outraged by fact that a handful of scum got national wealth.

Do your think we are here in Russia enjoing sucess of these scum in London and Washington?

Most property obtaned after 91 years in Russia is illegitimat, for us civil war has not actually ended ...
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 05:11

Warned - armed.

Optimists study Koran, pessimists study Russian language and realists will buy a carbine like me ... :D
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 05:26



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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 19 Apr 2019, 18:11



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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 20 Apr 2019, 16:37

We have identified four recommended actions which we believe to be especially effective in reducing an individual's greenhouse gas emissions: having one fewer child ...

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... 326/aa7541

And best of all let everyone die!
Then greenhouse gases and climate will be great!
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 20 Apr 2019, 17:35

This is written for you!
In Asia and Africa this shit nobody reads ...
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 21 Apr 2019, 05:50

Russian embassy in the United States published a response to the Muller report.

https://washington.mid.ru/upload/iblock ... 91ecd7.pdf
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 22 Apr 2019, 03:28

Using credentials they stole along the way, the hackers broke into the networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee days later. By stealing the login details of a system administrator who had “unrestricted access” to the network, the hackers broke into 29 computers in the ensuing weeks, and more than 30 computers on the DNC.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/18/muell ... zona-hack/

In a country that has given us modern informations technology (HTTP, WWW, IPv, DNS) and companies IBM, Cisco, Google, Apple, Microsoft from Admin of a serious organization first steal his login and password , and then for hours or even days from his server, download archivs of information 370 GB and no one notics?

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 22 Apr 2019, 03:30

I swear i like this version much more!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 22 Apr 2019, 03:45

New president of Ukraine is on left ...

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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 24 Apr 2019, 18:02

https://twitter.com/USNavyEurope/status ... 5413064704

Maybe i will leave Moscow faster than thought! :D
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Re: Immigration

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 24 Apr 2019, 18:17

We differ from Russian Orthodox Church not only by ritual.
Rides Patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church.



Our patriarch Corniliy a few years ago went to old Soviet car. One . Without security and drivers.

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He had one of worst cars among parishioners.
Then parishioners gave him a new car. Now he drives an old Volkswagen ...

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