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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Fri, 05 Jun 2020, 19:24

A former PNG XV and 7s national team player was heavily punched and burnt with an ironing machine by his partner
https://postcourier.com.pg/woman-attack ... g-machine/
https://www.facebook.com/GIRPNG/photos/ ... =3&theater

Unrelated news: PNGRU promised to focus on women's rugby as they never did before, following similar promises by World Rugby and also by Oceania Rugby
https://postcourier.com.pg/pngru-to-hos ... -workshop/

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Sat, 13 Jun 2020, 10:29

The first of a series of videos about India's team


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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 06:42

The story of Ada Milby, first women on World Rugby Council, member of Asia Rugby, general secretary of Philippines Rugby and still playing in the national team. Last year she participated as hooker to the Asia XV trophy and she won the silver medal at the Sea Games, in the 7s tournament

www.scmp.com/sport/rugby/rugby-communit ... n-football

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Fri, 19 Jun 2020, 20:30

From Rugby Pioneers, a 1922 photo about women rugby. In fact the game is barrette, but according to the caption it's just a women version of rugby. I had previously seen some photo of a barrette team and I noticed that they all wore the basque hat, but I didn't know that they wore it also during the game!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rugby_pio ... otostream/

LVGA=La vie au grand air (french sports magazine)
FSFSF= F... Stade Francais Section Feminine?

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Re: Small News

Postby vino_93 » Fri, 19 Jun 2020, 21:47

Fsfsf : Fédération des sociétés féminines sportives de France

Federation of women sports societies of France

It has been created for women sports, as some federation refused it (especially athletics and football).

It was lead by Alice Milliat, who created too some kind of Olympics for women, under an International Women's Sports Federation.
More about her : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Milliat
And the games : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Games

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Re: Small News

Postby johnbirch » Sat, 20 Jun 2020, 09:58

Canalina wrote:From Rugby Pioneers, a 1922 photo about women rugby. In fact the game is barrette, but according to the caption it's just a women version of rugby. I had previously seen some photo of a barrette team and I noticed that they all wore the basque hat, but I didn't know that they wore it also during the game!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rugby_pio ... otostream/

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I reseached a piece for Wikipedia about barette a few years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barette_(sport) and we did an article last year https://www.scrumqueens.com/features/barette-untold-story-women%E2%80%99s-rugby-100-years-ago

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Sat, 04 Jul 2020, 07:48

A rugby ballet image, from Bosnia&Herz facebook page

https://scontent.fblq3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5F25968A

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Mon, 06 Jul 2020, 08:16

A bit strange article from China Federation, describing the trip through the nation that the rugby president embarked in to visit some people: a waterpolo coach, suffering by a disease (it seems that rugby and waterpolo are currently cooperating, in China); the rugby women national team assistant coach, him too in hospital due to fatigue; and the parents of a young women national team player, Tang Minglin (you may see her in this good gallery of images, where also an italian physical coach appears: http://www.womenofchina.cn/womenofchina ... 2340-1.htm)

http://rugby.sport.org.cn/news/2020/0706/337950.html

Here is the long translation, if someone is interested

The party committee of the small ball center went deep to the grassroots to send warmth to encourage the training team to devote themselves to training
2020-07-06 08:15 China Sports News   
  In intense training competitions, athletes and coaches need to invest for a long time with high concentration. Since the outbreak of the New Coronary Pneumonia epidemic, many athletes and coaches have entered the closed training stage in order to prepare for the Tokyo Olympics. It is difficult for them to reunite with their families, and they have paid more than before. Not long ago, Chen Yingbiao, director of the small ball center and secretary of the Party Committee of the State Sports General Administration and the chairman of the Chinese Football Association, went to Shandong, Sichuan and other places to visit the sick hospitalized coaches and the parents of the athletes and sent their warmth to their hearts. To inspire athletes and coaches who are in closed training to devote themselves to training more conscientiously.

   "People who are dedicated to sports should not be forgotten"
  In the single dormitory of Sichuan Institute of Sports Technology, Chen Yingbiao and his party met Li Xiga, who was once the head coach of the national youth water polo team. Li Xijia was selected as a member of the national team when he was a member. He represented China in the 1987 World University Games. From 1991 to 1993, he served as the head coach of the Sichuan Provincial Water Polo Team. In 1994, he was selected as the head coach of the National Youth Water Polo Team. After leaving the national team, Li Xijia has been engaged in teaching swimming training for teenagers, and was diagnosed with serious illness not long ago during routine medical examination.
  Chen Yingbiao believes that the development of China’s water polo project over the years has benefited from the hard work of generations like Li Xijia. When their life encounters difficulties, they should be given more care, care and close support.
  In mid-June, Chen Yingbiao and his party came to Chengdu to visit Li Xiga. The single dormitory was very cramped and there was not much furniture. Chen Yingbiao sat on Li Xijia’s single bed, asked him about his condition, and started to take care of his family. Li Xijia’s colleague Pei Ying flipped out the photos of Li Xijia from his mobile phone a few months ago. At that time, he was demonstrating to the athletes by the swimming pool. Two people. Chen Yingbiao encouraged him to take care of his body, rest assured and heal his illness, holding his hand and saying, "No one who has dedicated to sports should be forgotten."
  Li Xiga's eyes were wet. He recalled his relationship with water polo and his life-long struggle for sports. He also combined his own knowledge and made his own suggestions for the water polo project.
  It didn't take long for Li Xiga to say goodbye, and Chen Yingbiao received his WeChat message: "Thanks for the organization's concern, I must be strong!!!" From these three exclamation marks, we saw Li Xiga's firm determination to overcome the disease.
   "Good life and quiet, we wait for you to return to the training ground"
Wang Zhen, who was born in 1983, was in his prime. He worked as an assistant coach and video analyst for the Chinese women’s football team for many years. Every time he trains, he records the athlete’s training and analyzes the athlete’s training and competition. Matters and suggestions for improvement. This is a very time-consuming and energy-intensive job. When other people can finally rest after a day of training, he often has to pick up lights at night, conduct technical analysis, and write training reports. It is with this training method that the Chinese women’s rugby team has changed from the previous training method that mainly relied on experience, so that the training based on data and images has a higher quality.
Scientific rigor and hard work are the impressions that Wang Zhen left to everyone. At the beginning of January this year, he followed the Chinese female olive to Tauranga, New Zealand to participate in the training, and then followed the team to Haikou. He did not leave the team for one step for half a year. .
  For more than half a year, Wang Zhen could only talk and chat with his loved ones through phone calls, videos, etc., to relieve their concerns about their thoughts. In early June, taking advantage of the team's opportunity to transfer training, Wang Zhen hurried back to Weihai's home to visit his relatives. But at this time, the 37-year-old man was finally exhausted by hard work day and night. After repeated persuasion by his family, he came to the hospital for examination. The doctor asked him to stop working and stay in bed for a period of rest.
  Chen Yingbiao learned this and went to Weihai to visit Wang Zhen. Compared with before, Wang Zhen was significantly thinner, but his mental state was very good. He took Chen Yingbiao's hand and talked most about the development of the Chinese women's football team.
  Chen Yingbiao said to Wang Zhen: "At present, the Chinese women's rugby team has transferred to Nanjing for training. Everyone misses you very much. You are quiet and quiet. We are waiting for you to return to the training ground!"
   "I will listen to the doctor, cooperate well with the treatment, strive to get better soon, and meet the sports team earlier." Wang Zhen said.
   "Please be assured that we will definitely train her into a talent"
After saying goodbye to Wang Zhen, Chen Yingbiao and his party moved to Dadeng Village, Boyu Town, Weihai Economic and Technological Development Zone. This is the home of Tang Minglin, a Chinese women's football team player.
  In Great Dengge Village, Chen Yingbiao saw Tang Minglin's father Tang Shourong and mother Liu Xianying. Tang Minglin posted a large photo of her training game at home, with a football underneath. Parents recalled the hard work of Tang Minglin when he was a child. They were very proud of their daughter's ability to go to the national team training competition. Now, Tang Minglin is the backbone of the Chinese women's rugby team. She has a strong physical resistance and a relatively fast speed.
  Chen Yingbiao introduced Tang Minglin's parents to her training preparations for the national team. Chen Yingbiao said: "We have a long-term plan for each national team athlete and will help them grow and progress step by step. Please rest assured that we will definitely train her into a talent."
   Hearing this, Tang Minglin's parents smiled. They said that after the daughter entered the national team, they have made great progress in all aspects, which makes them feel relieved. Tang Minglin’s parents all said that they have a cooking oil workshop at home, and they have a stable income. Both of them are in good health, and they have no worries. The only hope is that her daughter can go all out to train in the national team. In the future at the Tokyo Olympics Achieve good results and win glory for the country.
Chen Yingbiao said: "Caring for athletes and coaches and sending the warmth of the organization to their hearts is to use continuous care to consolidate together, constantly mobilize the enthusiasm of athletes and coaches, and push forward the preparations. We It is necessary to warm the hearts of the strugglers of every industry." (Text: Hu Jianhua Picture: Chinese Sports Pictures)

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Tue, 11 Aug 2020, 09:34

Some news spotted here and there on the web

New Zealand - A video report about the Black Ferns starting the preparation to next year World Cup
www.teaomaori.news/black-ferns-training ... -next-year

Canada - The Canadian olympic committee revealed the uniforms for Tokyo 2021 and Bianca Farella was interviewed about by a tv
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2011270

Tunisia - A tv report also about the Tunisian 7s national team, preparing next year Olympic qualifying tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPaF-3svUj8

Czech Rep. - The Czech XV national team completed the second of the three stages organized this summer (but just 14 players were present at the second stage). A commendable effort, considering that there are not fixtures at the horizon for the czechs
http://www.rugbyunion.cz/cs/article/1867

French Polynesia - The local rugby activity has been suspended after the suspect of Covid positivity regarding several men players. Just suspect, no confirmation of the positivity so far

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Re: Small News

Postby victorsra » Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 19:46

Canalina will love this: https://www.sudamerica.rugby/espanol/su ... -3?nid=476

Barbara Pichot selected as the new womens rugby manager for Sudamerica Rugby.

AFAIK she never played and was only recently working with womens rugby. World Rugby awarded leading schoolarships for women realy involved with womens rugby in the region, in Brazil, Colombia, but their choice was Pichot's sister? Sudamerica Rugby is already seen as Argentina/Uruguay dominated, the two countries with less to say about womens rugby (packed with dozens of huge rugby clubs that deny women the opportunity to play rugby), while Brazil and Colombia are the ones realy leading the region in womens rugby development. That obviously sounds a political choice.

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 06:09

I don't know Barbara Pichot, I've never heard her before, but this seems an inappropriate choice, also considering the blatant "crush" that the president of Sudamerica Rugby has for Agustin Pichot.
The sure thing is that if Rugby Europe had chosen "Barbara Beaumont" for an analogue role, the rugby media and blogs and forums of all the world would be filled of indignation right now, instead I can't see a line about. Maybe they're all in holiday

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Re: Small News

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 09:20

I'm not surprised. To be honest I expected her at World Rugby Council as UAR's female seat and I was pleasantly surprised to see them pick another woman.

I can't judge. I agree with Victor, but Rugby Europe for example when they had to pick their female seat went for who deserved it the most, not someone from a country leading women's rugby in the continent (Mülhofer from Switzerland instead of somebody from Spain or Russia). Maybe the fact Bárbara is able to meet media and talk to them about women's rugby in an environment where it's mostly ostracised explains the choice (basically all what I know about women's rugby in Argentina is through her interviews and Carbonero here), even though personally I'd have tried to avoid any suspicion of conflicts of interest given political climate.

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Postby Thomas » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 12:05

Nepotism of the highest order, who else did they interview? according to the article there were other finalists.

Where was the job advertised? I don't recall seeing anything . what were the job requirements and if she is really qualified what are her qualifications?

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Re: Small News

Postby victorsra » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 14:00

Thomas wrote:Nepotism of the highest order, who else did they interview? according to the article there were other finalists.

Where was the job advertised? I don't recall seeing anything . what were the job requirements and if she is really qualified what are her qualifications?


The process was public, advertised in Sudamrica Rugby website https://www.sudamerica.rugby/espanol/co ... -3?nid=448

If Argentina was realy doing a good job with she involved, I'd have no problems because we would be able to say it was deserved. But Argentina can't beat Brazil and is not even able to field a 15s national team. If you look at Buenos Aires 50 biggest clubs, one or two have women's rugby. The whole city of São Paulo has 3 rugby fields. Any small club there has more. They have no excuse. Argentina cant be rewarded about women's rugby.

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Re: Small News

Postby Thomas » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 14:12

victorsra wrote:
Thomas wrote:Nepotism of the highest order, who else did they interview? according to the article there were other finalists.

Where was the job advertised? I don't recall seeing anything . what were the job requirements and if she is really qualified what are her qualifications?


The process was public, advertised in Sudamrica Rugby website https://www.sudamerica.rugby/espanol/co ... -3?nid=448

If Argentina was really doing a good job with she involved, I'd have no problems because we would be able to say it was deserved. But Argentina can't beat Brazil and is not even able to field a 15s national team. If you look at Buenos Aires 50 biggest clubs, one or two have women's rugby. The whole city of São Paulo has 3 rugby fields. Any small club there has more. They have no excuse. Argentina cant be rewarded about women's rugby.


I totally agree with you, is wrong in so many levels. having been there I know exactly what you mean. is not right but what can you do. The first I saw her involved in women's rugby was sometime last year promoting the program at the behest of her brother, and later in the Colombia v Brazil Match. prior to that no one had ever heard of her. If it was an open and transparent process I would like to know who were the other candidates.

Doesn't matter how is spinned is still nepotism and the Argentina-Uruguay stranglehold remains.

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Re: Small News

Postby victorsra » Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 16:44

Maybe the fact Bárbara is able to meet media and talk to them about women's rugby in an environment where it's mostly ostracised explains the choice

This is a good point, but if that's the case maybe the best place for her would be as SAR Council member, for exemple. Or a position like "ambassador" for women in rugby (which would sound strange, if she isn't former player, but that would be a mediatic position anyway).

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Mon, 17 Aug 2020, 20:04

Helene Koyokoyo Buteme became the Strength & Conditioning coach of the Express FC, one of the best Ugandan football teams (they are ninth in the main championship, I've checked)
Too bad to see her passing from rugby to football, but probably it's an upgrade for her career

https://twitter.com/Uganda_Rugby/status ... 0004099072
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Re: Small News

Postby Hernan14 » Tue, 18 Aug 2020, 00:25

The worst possible decision, clearly, and it is enough to read this forum, all prejudging without even knowing her...

victorsra wrote:AFAIK she never played and was only recently working with womens rugby. World Rugby awarded leading schoolarships for women realy involved with womens rugby in the region, in Brazil, Colombia, but their choice was Pichot's sister? Sudamerica Rugby is already seen as Argentina/Uruguay dominated, the two countries with less to say about womens rugby (packed with dozens of huge rugby clubs that deny women the opportunity to play rugby), while Brazil and Colombia are the ones realy leading the region in womens rugby development. That obviously sounds a political choice.


First of all, the entire Pichot family was always involved with Rugby, always. But they were never one of those who to be involved is to only play Rugby, they are not the kind that talk and fold their arms, they are involved, in their clubs, as committe members, as managers, as coaches, as referees, etc.

WR Leading schoolarships for women have also been awarded to womens from Perú, Chile, Argentina, etc ... and what does Colombia (Alejandra Betancur is Colombian right?) and Brazil have to do with this decision? So, following your assumption, except for women's rugby, should the rest of the positions in South America Rugby be filled by Argentines?


Canalina wrote:I don't know Barbara Pichot, I've never heard her before, but this seems an inappropriate choice, also considering the blatant "crush" that the president of Sudamerica Rugby has for Agustin Pichot.
The sure thing is that if Rugby Europe had chosen "Barbara Beaumont" for an analogue role, the rugby media and blogs and forums of all the world would be filled of indignation right now, instead I can't see a line about. Maybe they're all in holiday


I agree, this is an inappropriate choice.

Regarding "Barbara Beaumont", if the whole Beaumont family had been involved in Rugby all her life, her grandparents, her parents, her uncles, her mother, her sister ... I don't would have no problems with that choice.


Armchair Fan wrote:even though personally I'd have tried to avoid any suspicion of conflicts of interest given political climate.


I agree, the weight of the "sister of" will play against her in public opinion, whatever she does, good or bad.

Thomas wrote:Nepotism of the highest order, who else did they interview? according to the article there were other finalists.
Where was the job advertised? I don't recall seeing anything . what were the job requirements and if she is really qualified what are her qualifications?
victorsra wrote:The process was public, advertised in Sudamrica Rugby website https://www.sudamerica.rugby/espanol/co ... -3?nid=448


If you read the requirements she fulfill them, anyway I disagree with their choice.


victorsra wrote:If Argentina was realy doing a good job with she involved, I'd have no problems because we would be able to say it was deserved. But Argentina can't beat Brazil and is not even able to field a 15s national team. If you look at Buenos Aires 50 biggest clubs, one or two have women's rugby. The whole city of São Paulo has 3 rugby fields. Any small club there has more. They have no excuse. Argentina cant be rewarded about women's rugby.


Argentina is much bigger than Buenos Aires, a lot. And women's rugby and its growth is precisely in the rest of the country, not in Buenos Aires. As just because Argentina is not able to beat Brazil in Women Seven, should it not have female members in Sudamérica Rugby?

I remind you that Brazil only played two XV matches (2008 & 2019). Nobody denies the highest level of its players, but you also know that it is precisely a political question because Argentina doesn't present a female XV, and it has to do with the URBA, in fact, that is why the work that Bárbara Pichot has been doing is mainly in the Inner Country, where there are fewer prejudices and Rugby is less elitist, while in Buenos Aires men's rugby is mainly contested by the Upper Class, in the Interior the female players come from a Middle and Low Class background... for this reason URBA is opposed. Share the money? If they can't bankroll his "hobbie", then don't do it ... that's the argument of UAR/URBA, yes, they see them as doing a hobby and not as athletes.



Thomas wrote:The first I saw her involved in women's rugby was sometime last year promoting the program at the behest of her brother, and later in the Colombia v Brazil Match. prior to that no one had ever heard of her. If it was an open and transparent process I would like to know who were the other candidates. Doesn't matter how is spinned is still nepotism and the Argentina-Uruguay stranglehold remains
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That you have not heard in your life about her, it has not been a year since she was born. The first time I heard of her was more than 2 decades ago and in fact what Pichot said was that if she had been a men, she would have been a rugby player as well (remember, this is from 2 decades ago) and about her and his mother involvement.

Argentina-Uruguay strangehold remains? If Argentina wanted that, it would never have been involved in anything with the rest of region countries, but for more than 60 years it has only been tried that the rest of the countries in the region have a good Rugby level, you know the times we travel to neighboring countries to play against teams that didn't favor us at all at our level? And I'm not talking about national teams, I'm talking about clubs, and all for the development of rugby there.

Anyway, it's a lousy choice. They should have put in some good brazilian female rugby leader, I didn't know any, but surely Victor can help us with that.

Something that interests me, why many hate Pichot? The Anti-Pichot's in Argentina proclaim that he wants to destroy amateur rugby and also oppose his constant preaching that the game must stop being elitist. But, taking away the WR election, what are the motives here to be Anti-Pichot? Is a sincerely cuestion.

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Re: Small News

Postby Canalina » Tue, 18 Aug 2020, 06:46

In a panorama of reciprocal faithful such a nomination wouldn’t be a problem at all. But in a panorama where accusations of corruption have been thrown to Africa Rugby because they changed their mind about the vote, where the entering in the WR ExCo of the African representer has been depicted as the possible outcome of an exchange of votes, where it has been said that Japan and Fiji voted Beaumont just to have the participation to the Six Nations, where Canada has been accused of “betrayal”, where the WR council members are said to sit in that council just to voyage through the world in business class, where World Rugby managers are seen as a closed club of old men doing reciprocal favors… it’s obvious that the nomination of the sister of a World Rugby chair candidate by the confederation which made an open electoral campaign for that man can’t pass uncriticized.
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Re: Small News

Postby Thomas » Tue, 18 Aug 2020, 10:07

to be truthful Hernan,

For me is the Latin American Rugby hypocrisy and is reflected in Argentina's behaviour. I am from Latin America and more specifically from Mexico. I grew up there before moving abroad. I read the job specifications. I would say the job requirements was tailormade for her, that's why she fulfilled the requirements is not the standard job description that you see in proper job websites or elite sport website with specific requirements and tertiary qualifications etc forget the UK or US Sites have a look at the French or Spanish sports websites.

if I wasn't a cynic I would say the best person got the job. the fact that they seem to enjoy criticising world Rugby, Africa and other regions they should expect criticism also, sometime it seems that SAR the raison d'etre is to criticise all other regions.

I want to see clear transparency not just in Argentina but in Mexico and Central America and proper development paths where I am even more critical of them. Argentina is the oldest Rugby Country in the continent and still cannot get their act together in women's programs despite the many stop starts over the decades.

I totally agree about the BA v rest of Argentina same in Mexico is CDMX versus the rest seems a common thread.

She may have been involved in Women's Rugby but still doesn't remove the bad perceptions.

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Re: Small News

Postby victorsra » Tue, 18 Aug 2020, 18:53

2020 Brazilian Super Sevens cancelled http://ww2.brasilrugby.com.br/2020/08/1 ... pela-cbru/

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Re: Small News

Postby victorsra » Tue, 18 Aug 2020, 19:23

First of all, the entire Pichot family was always involved with Rugby, always. But they were never one of those who to be involved is to only play Rugby, they are not the kind that talk and fold their arms, they are involved, in their clubs, as committe members, as managers, as coaches, as referees, etc.

WR Leading schoolarships for women have also been awarded to womens from Perú, Chile, Argentina, etc ... and what does Colombia (Alejandra Betancur is Colombian right?) and Brazil have to do with this decision? So, following your assumption, except for women's rugby, should the rest of the positions in South America Rugby be filled by Argentines?


Well, but CASI, their club, still doesn't have women's rugby.... if they can't convince their own club, well, that's complicated....

I don't mind to have an Argentine in charge of womens rugby, but in a moment with more success in the leadership of Argentina's women's rugby. UAR is in a different position, because you have everything to make women's rugby to go forward. You have the coaches, the fields, the knowledge. So I honestly expect first to see results in women's rugby in Argentina before having Argentina leading South America in this subject. If Barbara Pichot is doing a great job in UAR, so UAR needs her even more now, because there is a lot to do.

About other positions, Argentina already fills almost all position inside Sudamerica Rugby with very capable people. You are the best with men's rugby, we only have to learn with you. I don't see any problems if Argentine leads the rest of Sudamerica Rugby.

I remind you that Brazil only played two XV matches (2008 & 2019).

3, 2008, 2019 and 2020. Brazil doesn't have womens 15s at club level as well, we only formed the team to not throw away the opportunity to play a RWC Qualy and create some incentive for people here to organize womens 15s.

Argentina is much bigger than Buenos Aires, a lot. And women's rugby and its growth is precisely in the rest of the country, not in Buenos Aires. As just because Argentina is not able to beat Brazil in Women Seven, should it not have female members in Sudamérica Rugby?

I remind you that Brazil only played two XV matches (2008 & 2019). Nobody denies the highest level of its players, but you also know that it is precisely a political question because Argentina doesn't present a female XV, and it has to do with the URBA, in fact, that is why the work that Bárbara Pichot has been doing is mainly in the Inner Country, where there are fewer prejudices and Rugby is less elitist, while in Buenos Aires men's rugby is mainly contested by the Upper Class, in the Interior the female players come from a Middle and Low Class background... for this reason URBA is opposed. Share the money? If they can't bankroll his "hobbie", then don't do it ... that's the argument of UAR/URBA, yes, they see them as doing a hobby and not as athletes.


I see the strategy, but any URBA club is basicaly bigger than whole Brazilian states. The whole city of SP, with 30+ clubs, have only 3 rugby fields, 1 severely damaged due to overuse, almost without grass. Honestly, any URBA club could have a womens sevens team at least. Any. And even in Interior, well, few of the big Cordoba, Rosario, Mendoza, Tucuman clubs have womens rugby as well. It is a huge potencial not used basicaly due to sexism/elitism. And even small interior clubs in Argentina are bigger than most top Brazilian clubs anyway. I realy struggle to see how Argentina isn't able to beat us.

There is our merit, of couse, but clubs in Brazil don't have even proper fields to train or play... it is an abyss. And that's why I believe this is not the time to see Argentina leading women's rugby in the continent. Even with only small interior clubs, you should be able to beat us or to at least form a national team to play the RWC 15s qualy. I think Barbara has a lot to do improving the way UAR promotes womens rugby before going to Sudamerica Rugby.

Idealy, UAR should impose the need of women's rugby in big clubs, but this isn't realistic as it would be a too big political onus for UAR - unless WR were pressing Argentina more (like risking to cut one Council vote, for exemple).

You do know I love and respect a lot Argentina's rugby, but it is shameful how womens rugby is not included in most of Argentina's clubs. People say "oh it is cultural". Well, sexism is cultural... anyway, please, take this criticism well, because I realy admire Argentina's rugby.

Anyway, it's a lousy choice. They should have put in some good brazilian female rugby leader, I didn't know any, but surely Victor can help us with that.

I know names here, indeed, we have people that could do many good things and just can't do more here because our club rugby is too poor.

Something that interests me, why many hate Pichot? The Anti-Pichot's in Argentina proclaim that he wants to destroy amateur rugby and also oppose his constant preaching that the game must stop being elitist. But, taking away the WR election, what are the motives here to be Anti-Pichot? Is a sincerely cuestion.


I don't hate him, I think he did a great thing running against Beaumont. Argentina always did a crucial role helping other South American countries and it is together with France the only T1s that have a lot to say about improving T2 nations (althot Australia with GRR/NRC and Italy with Continental Shields stepped up as well). But there are aspects to criticise as well - like this one. I just try to see big pictures instead of cheering for or against someone.

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Re: Small News

Postby Thomas » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 12:52

Spanish Internationals join Exeter - great coup from the Chiefs

https://www.exeterchiefs.co.uk/news/appleby-adds-spanish-duo

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Re: Small News

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 14:29

Delgado was already in England. I saw Exeter signed a Dutch international as well.

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