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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 18:31

Aaaaand it's gone. Postponed until 2022:
https://www.world.rugby/news/621229/rug ... -statement

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 18:36

'Funnily' RTE was saying today that Spain v Ireland is expected for March 13th...
https://twitter.com/RTErugby/status/1366804656559710210

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 18:37

Disappointed and relieved at the same time :|

Sad decision but, probably, wise decision

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Thomas » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 19:10

The Women's Rugby World Cup has been postponed a year.

Decision based on the "evolution of the uncertain and challenging global COVID-19 landscape"
https://www.world.rugby/news/621229/rugby-world-cup-2021-statement

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 20:25

This would the time for world rugby to reorganize the tournament so 16 teams can compete. They have 16ish months to do this which is super doable.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 20:28

They don't want to pay for quarantine and testing for 12 teams, how would they rush an expensive expansion that is expected anyway for 2025?

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 20:37

Yes, I don't think this is the right moment for an expansion. More teams means also more diffculty to monitor the athletes and to protect them

Scrumqueens rightly pointed out that there will be a traffic jam between RWC and 7sRWC. The tournament in Cape Town is fixed right between september and october (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Rugb ... Cup_Sevens) so probably simultaneously with the RWC XV. It would be relatively easy to change the dates of the Cape Town tournament, but I suspect the event could be just sacrificed and cancelled. I don't think South Africa is eager to host that tournament with all the current sanitary problems and maybe without the chance to have spectators on the stands

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 02 Mar 2021, 20:43

Would it be crazy to use a 2023 7s RWC in early summer as preview men's RWC and Olympic qualifiers? Other team sports use their World Cups to distribute Olympic tickets.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 00:33

Armchair Fan wrote:Would it be crazy to use a 2023 7s RWC in early summer as preview men's RWC and Olympic qualifiers? Other team sports use their World Cups to distribute Olympic tickets.

I think it would be cool. There won't be mid year tests, so it could be nice.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby snapper37 » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 03:15

Armchair Fan wrote:They don't want to pay for quarantine and testing for 12 teams, how would they rush an expensive expansion that is expected anyway for 2025?


Wrong. With teams having to quarantine for two weeks twice (arriving in NZ and again when returning home) plus the length of the tournament on top of all the time lost from work trying to qualify (quarantining again for each trip twice) is just too much to ask of AMATEURS. This is the perfect time to add more teams with 16 months to sort it out, with luck this covid will all be done with in the fall 2022.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 08:57

At least this probable postponement (the decision will be taken in the weekend) will give more easiness to everybody: to the RWC organizers, to the olympic teams, to the squads, to the qualifiers...
I just hope they will try to play the qualifiers as soon as possible, without awaiting the best moment, just to take this task off

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 09:51

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 12:39

Armchair Fan wrote:Would it be crazy to use a 2023 7s RWC in early summer as preview men's RWC and Olympic qualifiers? Other team sports use their World Cups to distribute Olympic tickets.


Maybe, in fact, that could be RWC7's raison d'être: to be the main Olympic qualy. It could qualify 5 teams, letting 1 spot for each of the 6 continents + host country. And that's it.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 16:19

The surprise and disappointing by Gaelle Hermet and Lenaig Corson: "we weren't expecting such a decision"

https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_3155 ... 24371.html

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby armchair_expert » Wed, 03 Mar 2021, 18:23

Spain has been training for a month, had recent match practice while Ireland has no match practice and just started training - bad timing. They will reschedule it for May when Ireland will have enough match practice after the Six Nations.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 04 Mar 2021, 03:23

The fact WR are persisting with this gender neutral nonsense is ridiculous. Not once did their press release say the word 'woman' once.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Thu, 04 Mar 2021, 08:13

armchair_expert wrote:Spain has been training for a month, had recent match practice while Ireland has no match practice and just started training - bad timing. They will reschedule it for May when Ireland will have enough match practice after the Six Nations.

Maybe now they will shift all to the autumn, but, yes, disfruiting the 6N and stick on to it the RWC qualifiers semifinals and final would be good. At least to say "and this is done".
Many italian players, all execept the seven or eight playing in France, will have to approach this Six Nations and mabye the RWC qualifiers without having played a match this season in the national championship. But maybe it's the same for the welsh, irish and scottish players; I think their championships never started as well

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Thu, 04 Mar 2021, 16:21

thatrugbyguy wrote:The fact WR are persisting with this gender neutral nonsense is ridiculous. Not once did their press release say the word 'woman' once.


I think WR is right, but honestly this is an useless discussion because I realy doubt the absense of "women's" in the name has any real negative effect.

Unless you defend the men's RWC should be called "Men's RWC". Then it makes sense. It is pretty obvious the problem is not to call a competition "women's". The problem is to make it "the lesser other". It is "less" if only one has to use gender. No matter how much you try to engeneer an explanation to justify that.

Cricket, Field Hockey, Basketball, Volleyball and Handball, for exemple, calls "men's WC" their men's competitions. That's fair. IMO, it would be easier to just call the men's RWC as "Men's RWC" :lol:

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 04 Mar 2021, 18:27

Besides being extremely angry, Spanish head coach says there will be a meeting next Wednesday to decide what to make of European RWC qualifiers and fears another change of format:
https://www.revista22.es/2021/03/jose-a ... ortunidad/

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 05 Mar 2021, 02:29

victorsra wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:The fact WR are persisting with this gender neutral nonsense is ridiculous. Not once did their press release say the word 'woman' once.


I think WR is right, but honestly this is an useless discussion because I realy doubt the absense of "women's" in the name has any real negative effect.

Unless you defend the men's RWC should be called "Men's RWC". Then it makes sense. It is pretty obvious the problem is not to call a competition "women's". The problem is to make it "the lesser other". It is "less" if only one has to use gender. No matter how much you try to engeneer an explanation to justify that.

Cricket, Field Hockey, Basketball, Volleyball and Handball, for exemple, calls "men's WC" their men's competitions. That's fair. IMO, it would be easier to just call the men's RWC as "Men's RWC" :lol:


Rugby World Cup will always default to the mens competition, mostly because the women's competition is barely even recognised within the sport itself. You cannot promote women's rugby if you don't mention women. The article is absurd. Not once is the word woman mentioned. WR idea seems to be people will just figure it out. Yeah, great idea, let's take an already small sport and refrain from mentioning women have their own world cup. What better way to attract young girls to rugby than never say that women are present in the first place. Idiots in charge of this sport.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Fri, 05 Mar 2021, 02:38

So, just add "men's" to the name and problem solved. Would't hurt... Cricket did. People would still call it just "Rugby World Cup" anyway.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Canalina » Fri, 05 Mar 2021, 06:38

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/womens-spor ... tponement/

An other bit of victimism...
Basically everything World Rugby does, it creates outraged people

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby victorsra » Fri, 05 Mar 2021, 16:45

WR is right about postponing because they won't change the amateur status of the game in a couple of months. But it is clear they need to move on with making national teams professional. In the women's rugby case, it is pretty clear the fast track is some sort of world league.

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Re: 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup

Postby Thomas » Sat, 06 Mar 2021, 19:42

The NZ view on the RWC cancellation, Why is women's rugby always the first to go? strong article
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300245020/why-is-womens-rugby-always-the-first-to-go

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