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Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 20:05

Two positive tests force the suspension of Spanish national team training camp...
http://ferugby.es/dos-positivos-por-cov ... n-de-getxo

I really fear for RWC qualifiers.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Thomas » Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 20:47

I agree jut read the article, players sent home not good.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby TheStroBro » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 01:14

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... emier-15s/

I'll be honest, the Union funding clubs en masse is such a weird thing from over here.

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Postby Thomas » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 07:02

I agree is an anachronistic concept its the RFU greatest strength but also it's weakness.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby TheStroBro » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 20:46

I wouldn't necessarily call it anachronistic. But USA Soccer, one of the richest soccer federations in the World doesn't subsidize amateur rugby. But I suppose in a way the model is the same, they do subsidize the NWSL. But that's a professional league rather than an elite amateur league.

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Postby Thomas » Fri, 02 Oct 2020, 21:36

TheStroBro wrote:I wouldn't necessarily call it anachronistic. But USA Soccer, one of the richest soccer federations in the World doesn't subsidize amateur rugby. But I suppose in a way the model is the same, they do subsidize the NWSL. But that's a professional league rather than an elite amateur league.


there's the difference as you stated: Professional. I would like to see the RFU heading down that path. Elite Amateur has it's place but keeping funding it... not so sure

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Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Oct 2020, 19:48

Good resume of the next months hopefully incoming events

https://www.scrumqueens.com/news/shape-things-come

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Postby Canalina » Wed, 14 Oct 2020, 05:36

German XV national team restarted the preparation. A pity they renounced to the Euro championship

The 15 women are also starting to feel their way around the new "normality". From October 16 to 18, the Phoenix team will also complete a course in Heidelberg to which national coaches Dirk Frase and Paul McGuigan have invited the following players:

RSV Cologne: Luise Lauter, Melissa Paul, Vivian Salim, Sophia Terwiel
FC St. Pauli: Josi Pora, Luise Adamski, Vivian Bahlmann
Heidelberg RK: Theresa Hauth, Svetlana Hess, Muriel Weigel, Tina Schucker, Mette Zimatt, Nicola Beet, Johanna Hacker
SC Neuenheim: Steffi Gruber, Amelie Harris, Jessica Neues, Elisa Trick, Monica Yee, Laura Schwinn, Sarah Gossmann, Clara Tauschek, Maxime Rath, Katharina Bader, Lea Predikant
SC Germania List: Gesine Adler, Elena Korn, Laura Dervari, Yona Rossol, Cara Senneka, Nina Schäfer, Katharina Epp, Mona Reinisch
UPS Jena: Johanna Kruse
SG Bayern: Rebecca Pöhls, Caroline Pintsch

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Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Oct 2020, 12:21

Still no confirmation by W6N, but the fact that the news is reported by various sources let few doubts about it

https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/women/

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Postby Canalina » Sun, 01 Nov 2020, 08:31

Line up for for today's evening game Italy v England, in Parma at 17 GMT. Barattin not far from the 100 caps milestone; McLean already surpassed it from some time.
Italy misses Arrighetti (injury) and Ruzza, England misses Hunter (injury) and Hunt (covi positive)
In Italy, live on Eurosport1 (I'm trying to make a daily subscription); in France, Ireland, Wales and Scotland should be live on the tournament facebook page

ITALIA
15 Manuela FURLAN (Villorba, 74 caps) C
14 Maria MAGATTI (CUS Milano, 32 caps)
13 Michela SILLARI (Valsugana, 56 caps)
12 Beatrice RIGONI (Valsugana, 42 caps)
11 Sofia STEFAN (Valsugana, 55 caps)
10 Veronica MADIA (Colorno, 18 caps)
9 Sara BARATTIN (Villorba, 94 caps)
8 Elisa GIORDANO (Valsugana, 42 caps)
7 Giada FRANCO (Colorno, 16 caps)
6 Francesca SGORBINI (Romagnat, 4 caps)
5 Giordana DUCA (Valsugana, 17 caps)
4 Valeria FEDRIGHI (Toulousain, 21 caps)
3 Lucia GAI (Valsugana, 69 caps)
2 Melissa BETTONI (Stade Rennais, 57 caps)
1 Silvia TURANI (Grenoble, 15 caps)

16 Giulia CERATO (Valsugana, 4 caps)
17 Erika SKOFCA (Valsugana, 1 cap)
18 Michela MERLO (Calvisano, 7 caps)
19 Sara TOUNESI (Romagnat, 15 caps)
20 Francesca SBERNA (Calvisano, 5 caps)
21 Vittoria OSTUNI MINUZZI (Valsugana, 3 caps)
22 Aura MUZZO (Villorba, 13 caps)
23 Benedetta MANCINI (Capitolina, 3 caps)

Coach: Andrea di Giandomenico

RED ROSES
15. Ellie Kildunne (Wasps FC Ladies, 8 caps)
14. Jess Breach (Harlequins Women, 13 caps)
13. Emily Scarratt (C; Loughborough Lightning, 89 caps)
12. Amber Reed (Bristol Bears Women, 57 caps)
11. Abby Dow (Wasps FC Ladies, 12 caps)
10. Katy Daley-Mclean (Sale Sharks Women, 114 caps)
9. Claudia MacDonald (Wasps FC Ladies, 9 caps)
1. Vickii Cornborough (Harlequins Women, 53 caps)
2. Lark Davies (Loughborough Lightning, 25 caps)
3. Sarah Bern (Bristol Bears Women, 35 caps)
4. Abbie Ward (Harlequins Women, 42 caps)
5. Morwenna Talling (Loughborough Lightning, 0 caps)
6. Poppy Cleall (Saracens Women, 40 caps)
7. Marlie Packer (Saracens Women, 71 caps)
8. Sarah Beckett (Harlequins Women, 17 caps)

16. Amy Cokayne (Harlequins Women, 50 caps)
17. Detysha Harper (Loughborough Lightning, 1 cap)
18. Shaunagh Brown (Harlequins Women, 17 caps)
19. Harriet Millar-Mills (Wasps FC Ladies, 55 caps)
20. Alex Matthews (Worcester Warriors Women, 37 caps)
21. Leanne Riley (Harlequins Women, 37 caps)
22. Helena Rowland (Loughborough Lightning, 0 caps)
23. Zoe Harrison (Saracens Women, 24 caps)

Coach: Simon Middleton

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Canalina » Sun, 01 Nov 2020, 20:38

With today's final Zoe Harrison's conversion, England should have overcome quote one thousand points scored to Italy: the total is 1001-127, in twenty-one duels. Average score per match: 48-6

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:12

How does Spain compare to the Six Nations teams (excluding England)? They have similar ranking points but I know the ranking system is flawed. Is there any prospect of Spain joining the Six Nations? I think another test match could be added without there being objections and resistance from the clubs.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 17:19

Spain will never rejoin Women's Six Nations. It's been discussed over and over and in the end the answer is always no.

We are just at the same level as Italy, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Sometimes they will beat us, sometimes we will win. We are miles behind England and France.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 18:02

Armchair Fan wrote:Spain will never rejoin Women's Six Nations. It's been discussed over and over and in the end the answer is always no.

We are just at the same level as Italy, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Sometimes they will beat us, sometimes we will win. We are miles behind England and France.


In Women's 15s it is a waste of potential. I'm pretty sure 6Ns would love to have a women's 7Ns as women's rugby has smaller international calendars.

6Ns probably blocks it to avoid a precedent that could echo in men's rugby.

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Postby Chester-Donnelly » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 18:29

victorsra wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote:Spain will never rejoin Women's Six Nations. It's been discussed over and over and in the end the answer is always no.

We are just at the same level as Italy, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Sometimes they will beat us, sometimes we will win. We are miles behind England and France.


In Women's 15s it is a waste of potential. I'm pretty sure 6Ns would love to have a women's 7Ns as women's rugby has smaller international calendars.

6Ns probably blocks it to avoid a precedent that could echo in men's rugby.


I don't think it would set a precedent, but in Britain, in women's sports, there is a tendancy to exactly copy the men and to piggy back on established brands like the Six Nations and the Ashes in cricket, rather than to build their own identity.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby victorsra » Mon, 02 Nov 2020, 23:14

There isn't any other reason to not invite Spain.

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Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 03:41

victorsra wrote:There isn't any other reason to not invite Spain.


I think the reason is political. The cartel has decided that the women's Six Nations Championship should be the same nations as the Six Nations Championship. Maybe Italy insisted and the others just agreed. Maybe it was the British who wanted it. There is someone very powerful behind women's sports in Britain. There has been a big change in a very short time. Women's football, rugby and cricket is covered extensively by the BBC and Sky Sports. And the competitions they play in seem to be as close to copies of the men's competitions as possible. Maybe the broadcasters have something to do with the decision.

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Postby victorsra » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 15:14

That's more or less what I meant. But still if the women's teams wanted an invited team, nothing forbids. Remember there are voices in womern's rugby wanting that their 6N to not be played at the same time of the men's tournament.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 18:44

victorsra wrote:That's more or less what I meant. But still if the women's teams wanted an invited team, nothing forbids. Remember there are voices in womern's rugby wanting that their 6N to not be played at the same time of the men's tournament.


Hopefully, once women's rugby has more confidence in its popularity, it can start to develop its own identity, and include Spain. Maybe even play summer rugby.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 03 Nov 2020, 18:47

The day women's rugby has more confidence in its popularity and develops its own identity they will keep excluding us because it is the way it is. They are doing exactly that, there are plans for a global calendar different from men and Spain will still be outside. It doesn't matter how much we give it a thought here. We are not welcome and the sooner we sink, the better for all of them. It's just a matter of time. There is no incentive to give up a privilege. As simple as that.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 06:25

I hate to say it, but too many women in teams sports don’t voice there opinions enough about being allowed to forge their own path. The irony is as long as they are tied to the men’s teams, they’ll have to do whatever it is they are told to do. Greater exposure means they get less say about how they play their sport.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby victorsra » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 15:54

I think all this discussion will change if World Rugby comes up with a Women's World League. And that's a likely development.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 17:18

How many of the women's teams could be considered tier 1? I think England and New Zealand could. Probably also France and Canada.

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Re: Womens XVs Rugby - Global news & Developments

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 04 Nov 2020, 18:57

victorsra wrote:I think all this discussion will change if World Rugby comes up with a Women's World League. And that's a likely development.

Unfortunately not. There are many formats to a World League and the most probable ones are those preserving statu quo.

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