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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Rowan » Mon, 06 Jul 2015, 09:51

I was reading about the Mongols recently, and it turns out China's relationship with Kublai (in particular) is really complex and interesting. He's considered to be the founder of the Yuan dynasty, who despite being essentially the Mongol rulers of China and for the most part never bothering to learn Chinese are still considered bona fide Chinese emperors (rather like William the Conqueror actually). He was the first person to rule southern China (the "core" of the historical Chinese civilization), Manchuria and Tibet at the same time, so the present-day borders of China actually owe much to him and he has been argued to have been the founder of the modern Chinese state, fulfilling a similar role to e.g. Ataturk/Bismarck/Garibaldi in other cultures. He's actually revered as a hero by many Chinese.


Thanks. Most enlightening. I've read about the Mongols too, but mostly just about their conquests. :twisted:
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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Mon, 27 Jul 2015, 22:30

Rugby was actually banned in China under Mao but started to make headway in the 1990s due to the efforts of expats, and also the relative popularity of the sport in both Hong Kong and Macau.


Do you have any informations about Rugby before Mao?

And what about the China Games? Sonce when there is rugby in the event?

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Rowan » Tue, 28 Jul 2015, 08:43

I believe it was confined mostly - if not entirely - to the expat community and played mostly in Hong Kong. One exception to the latter was the Shanghai Rugby Club, which folded in 1952, presumably due to 'expat-flight' as Mao consolidated power in the wake of the civil war. Of course, Mao was later ban rugby anyway.

As for its involvement in the Chinese Games, I have no idea. But 7s has been a fixture at the Asian Games since 98. Rugby gained popularity in China when the army adopted it as an official sport in the early 90s.
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Re: Rugby in China

Postby WuhanClan » Wed, 29 Jul 2015, 10:57

Rugby 7s is part of the China Games.

If you want to find some history of rugby in China have a look at this website. http://www.treatyportsport.com/home.html

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Rowan » Wed, 29 Jul 2015, 11:25

Thanks. Just had a read through that, and was surprised to learn the sport went back so far - the the late 19th century in Tientsin, in fact. But it appears to have been entirely an expat affair. No mention of any local input at all. That's actually the impression I'd had.
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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Wed, 29 Jul 2015, 14:57

awesome!!!

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby jservuk » Sun, 07 Feb 2016, 00:12

Lots of news about China about to do to football what it did to manufacturing, e.g.:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... -world-cup


What is happening on the rugby front in China?

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 07 Feb 2016, 09:47

victorsra wrote:
Rugby was actually banned in China under Mao but started to make headway in the 1990s due to the efforts of expats, and also the relative popularity of the sport in both Hong Kong and Macau.


Do you have any informations about Rugby before Mao?

And what about the China Games? Sonce when there is rugby in the event?



Was mainly played by British, French and Japanese sailors/merchants in Shanghai and Hong Kong, rep sides played 15 times with HK winning 8 to Shanghai's 7. After the revolution the imperial powers withdrew and it wasn't popular enough among the locals to be sustained. The book "Oval World" by Tony Collins has a brief history of it.

Not sure if it was banned, the book was fairly extensive and didn't mention that.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 04:41

World Rugby and Alibaba, through its new sports division Alisports, have launched a ground-breaking strategic partnership that will see the global e-commerce giant make a significant long-term multi-million US dollar investment in the development of rugby in China.

The 10-year deal, brokered by CSM Sport and Entertainment, was announced by World Rugby Chairman Bernard Lapasset and Alisports CEO Zhang Dazhongat the Cathay Pacific/HSBC Hong Kong Sevens, the seventh round of the HSBC World Rugby Sevens Series on Sunday.

With rugby experiencing record participation growth and popularity across Asia, driven by rugby sevens' Olympic Games inclusion and Japan's hosting of Rugby World Cup 2019, Alisports will support World Rugby and the China Rugby Football Association (CRFA) in extending the reach of an ambitious mass participation, training and education programme. Alisports will invest in World Rugby's Get Into Rugby programme, targeting schools and universities in order to reach, inspire and retain new participants and unlock the growth potential of the world's most populous nation.

To support participation growth, a major overhaul of competition pathways within China will ensure unprecedented opportunity to access the game in a structured environment to promote men's and women's player pathways and national team development.

Alisports will also exclusively broadcast World Rugby content and programming across its multi-million reach internet-based, consumer-centric sports platform that aims to create value for sports industry participants and enhance consumers and sports fans engagement with sports teams and brands. In addition, Alisports will consult with World Rugby to implement a best-practice environment for China to attract and host major rugby events within the next 10 years.

Zhang Dazhong, CEO of Alisports, said: "Rugby is such an exciting game with much teamwork and we’ve recognized its exceptionally positive character-building values. We are delighted to partner with World Rugby and look forward to introducing and developing rugby in China mainland at every level. We encourage young people to join rugby to cultivate the sprit of being strong-willed, aggressive,acquisitive and unified. We will use our platform to showcase this excellent sport to millions of people."

Lapasset said: "Rugby continues to experience record global participation and profile growth and this exciting deal with one of China's biggest entertainment and e-commerce giants is a reflection of the strong appetite for the sport in emerging rugby markets.

"With global participation having doubled to 7.7 million since rugby was readmitted onto the summer Olympic Games programme in 2009, this deal will ensure an unprecedented platform for rugby to reach, engage and inspire new participants across China.

"We have already seen a significant increase in interest and participation in China, with the women's team winning a bronze medal at the 2014 Youth Olympic Games in Nanjing. Our collaboration with the China Rugby Football Association is presently focused on seven provinces but this partnership, built on a common passion for sport's ability to promote community and healthy living, will enable us to achieve more ambitious targets around city, provincial and national men's and women's 15S and sevens competitions and programmes.

"With record investment in schools and university programmes, we will be well equipped to achieve recognition by the Education Bureau under the Sunrise School Sport Program, which will completely transform the depth and breadth of our schools programmes to reach potentially unprecedented participation levels. We look forward to partnering with Alisports to maximise potential within China.”

Full details of the partnership will be announced in due course.


What can we really expect?

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 04:55

Could be good. 10-year investment could make China a force along with Japan within that time. World Rugby need another Asian team to be challenging Japan in the near future.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby ruckovercdn » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 08:41

I dunno, China is pretty poor at team sports as a rule. I suspect there's cultural reasons for this but I'm not really well informed enough on that subject.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 08:47

Probably that is a reason, but I also see a rationale: China invests in sport to perform at the Olympics. Team sports give fewer medals than individual ones.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby YamahaKiwi » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 09:54

Just an FYI but China (PRC) has been playing a triangular U17 XVs series with Japan and South Korea every Summer for a number of years now. I don't know the strength of the Japanese team but I think it always won v both opponents.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 Apr 2016, 16:10

Probably that is a reason, but I also see a rationale: China invests in sport to perform at the Olympics. Team sports give fewer medals than individual ones.


I agree.

Well, China is also promising a soccer revolution. Maybe now they are also looking to the main team sports world events as strategic, such as the Rugby World Cup. Dunno. But it is Alisports that is behind. So it is different now, because it is not exactly government's policy, there are private interests involved.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Hansgrohe » Wed, 13 Apr 2016, 21:58

I'm not very familiar with the people's republic, but alongside traditional attitudes to career, seems that China is so industrialized that sports get dwarfed there. It's so much focus on industrialization there, but there has also been much focus on getting soccer better there. At least the results are starting to come in.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Wed, 13 Apr 2016, 23:29

Once I read the main problem in China for football is the lack of fields for amateur players to play in big cities. This problem exists in Brazil too, but we have the tradition of futsal. But of course the decline of Brazilian football for me has this elemment too: amateur football faces lack of structure. This affects the development of players in junior ages, before they are identified by Clubs Academies. Rugby certainly will suffer with this there.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Hansgrohe » Thu, 14 Apr 2016, 03:09

Yes, there aren't many places for amateurs to play in, the structure is quite poor. This was the case for Mexico too, but much investment has been made in 15 or so years in order for facilities to be higher and easier to be accessed. The current generation of Mexican footballers are considered some of the best since the 90s, so its no coincidence.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby WuhanClan » Fri, 15 Apr 2016, 10:17

The Alibaba deal is great in that rugby will be broadcast regularly here for the first time and they will basically pay World Rugby to expand their operations in spreading the game here. Also, will be some restructuring to get XVs played (basically isn't played outside of expat teams atm). I don't think China will be competing with Japan in the next 10 years in XVs. First we'll see an increase in 7s performance from the women, maybe getting in the top 5 more regularly. Then maybe the men will qualify for world 7s series. XVs will take a while and will be probably aiming to get to the same level as Hong Kong and Korea for mens and for women's, being outright best in Asia.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 06:07

"The Chinese women's rugby team and the Chinese women's water polo team watched the National Commendation Meeting for Fighting the New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic and carefully studied the important speech of General Secretary Xi Jinping"

http://rugby.sport.org.cn/news/2020/0911/357934.html

It's curios this fusion of rugby and waterpolo. As we already said, it would be interesting to know if the rugby athletes are sometime training also in waterpolo, and viceversa. The article mentions a "Small Ball Sports Management Center", google translated, (but which are the "big ball" sports?) and this could suggest that rugby and waterpolo are managed together.
As the women rugby team, also the waterpolo women China national team is already qualified to the 2021 Olympics

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby vino_93 » Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 06:24

I guess that's more minor than small for the right translation ?

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 07:42

vino_93 wrote:I guess that's more minor than small for the right translation ?


I think you're right. Tennis, table tennis and golf all use a much smaller ball. We could really do with someone in this community with Chinese language skills.

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Re: Rugby in China

Postby victorsra » Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 14:07

Definitely "minor". As China's focus is the Olympics and those aren't sports with a community grassroots approach there, it makes sense to be managed together, like with the same high performance department.

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